You can’t expect people to change For you. People only change for themselves. Otherwise the change isn’t genuine and it’s most likely won’t be a permanent change. At some point, they will go right back to who they were before.
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Then leave, by now you’ve had possibly close to one hundred tell you that you are wrong. At some point you have to wonder “is everyone else the problem or is it just me?”; and the fact you’ve failed to do that so far is pretty evident that you really feel nothing beyond being inflammatory.
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Yes, ridiculing someones ideas are a form of personal harassment. An idea someone holds is grounded in their identify. If you tell me you think it would be a good idea to go to college and get a degree as an art major, and I tell you that’s a stupid trashcan idea, art majors make no money and have to prospects, that’s my harassing a belief that is fundamental to your identity. I highly recommend reading the book Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most, it’s a NYT best seller and will illustrate what I’m talking about.
Yeah you’re right. Thank you. That’s very insightful.
You willingly entered this debate. No one is intimidating you, or aggressively pressuring you, so the fact you don’t know the proper definition of harassment and think otherwise is your problem and no one else’s.
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No, that’s just you not agreeing with him. What’s toxic is saying that him suggesting ideas for CLASSIC don’t belong in the CLASSIC forums.
You’ve successfully discussed “good manners”, which is entirely separate from a legal definition of harassment and the majority of community guidelines’ definition of harassment. Which, to quote Blizzard’s CoC:
- Insultingly refer to other characters, players, Blizzard employees, or groups of people
- Result in ongoing harassment to other characters, players, Blizzard employees, or groups of people
Notice how it identifies actual persons, and not “their ideas and/or beliefs they hold dear”. Funny how that is isn’t it? It’s almost like it’s a universally accepted definition of harassment.
Don’t get me wrong, I would expect that person to hate me in that scenario you’ve managed. But, that’s not harassment. Your book, Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most, sounds like a primer on how to make people feel good during conflict. That’s not what is owed to anyone here.
You don’t get to mandate that people make you feel good about your ideas and validate them as useful. Someone can absolutely call your idea garbage, and it is not harassment.
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Implying a Customer Support Agent is being toxic? Lol, you two really need to work on how to have a debate, and how to assess and address topics, because this only further demonstrates that you’re more concerned about wanting your suggestions happen in-game rather than have a discussion about it. You’re continuing to dig yourselves deeper.
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But, these are classic+ ideas, not classic.
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We’re willing to have a discussion, you don’t seem like you are though.
Let me give you an example: I think transmog would be fun in classic, especially with some of the random drops that are out there.
So, you can chime in and say why you don’t think transmog belongs in classic, and then end of story. But for so many of you, that’s not the end, it’s then followed up by telling us why we shouldn’t be playing classic, why we need to get off of these forums.
Also, what are you talking about a customer service agent being toxic, I was quoting YOU.
Yes, and I’ve given you many examples, facts, and reasons why it doesn’t belong in Classic. I’ve given you plenty of explanations. You are outright ignoring them, denying them, in favor of what you want, so yes, of course at a certain point everyone gets fed up with yours and Vakul’s childish behavior.
It seems like, yet again, you two remain to have a reading problem: Very active forum topic keeps getting silenced because of flag abuse and forum MVP is being harassed - #5 by Orlyia
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The issue is that we’ve respectfully explained why we disagreed with them a million times before. It gets to a point to where any human is going to get snarky, dismissive, or even toxic after repeating themselves so many times.
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Then just don’t click on the thread. You’re in complete control of whether or not you have to read it.
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I prefer reporting for trolling and, yes, moving on. It helps deter repeat offenders.
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Suggesting is NOT trolling. What you’re doing is actually abusing the report.
The same logic goes both ways. I’m not going to allow someone’s biased, and irrational logic go unnoticed. I’ve been fighting for Classic WoW for nearly a decade, and I’m not going to allow some underwhelming and meager ideology of how people’s perception of what they think Classic should be ruin the game I’ve been fighting for.
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Your troll thread has been closed at least twice now. Then your troll thread in customer support immediately got shut down and a blue specifically told you to keep classic on topic about classic.
Maybe you want to examine yourself and realize that if the problem is “everyone else but you”, then the problem is actually you
Keep making troll threads and they will keep getting mass reported, that is just reality. You might as well learn to deal with it.
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Then put in a suggestion to Blizzard that they add a “user did not do an ounce of reading on the topic and still posted their opinion” option for flagging posts. Until that is implemented, I will flag as trolling or spam.
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Don’t make troll threads and you won’t get reported. You might have grown up not learning that actions have consequences, but in the real world guess what? They do. ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
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Well fortunately for you, like I said before, classic is NOT YOUR CREATION! If you’re that against being able to play it if something like a transmog is introduced, then just go play something else. Because this is clearly bigger than just playing the game.
YOU are the one being irrational. This is not your own personal gift from Blizzard. And not everyone who asked for a classic server all this time agrees with you on whether or not their should be changes. You’re not the only opinion that exists, and you’re definitely not the only opinion that matters, and you need to stop acting like that’s the case.