“How to stop AV Premades”
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Why are you trying to prevent people from organizing? LEarn to use IB choke and shut up. Losing to Alliance premades is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT HORDE’S OWN FAULT. IB choke is the ONLY chokepoint on the map that cannot be somehow bypassed, It is Horde’s primary advantage on the map. Ally has the zerg advantage, Horde has the defend and farm HK advantage. SO USE IT.
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I encourage everyoene in my horde AVs to do the IB chokepoint, but can you guess what happens? Thats right, nobody listens. So its horde fault that they can’t premade like the alliance can and coordinate using the IB chokepoint?
Sounds like a design flaw to me.
Here’s the problem with your entire argument. Your right you have the Zerg advantage and we have “sort of” the defense advantage. Your absolutely right we should be defending every game to throw off your Zerg fest however we don’t have the luxury of being able to form premades then instant queuing for av. Communication makes a very large difference. When you have 40 people all randomized together with everyone of them having a different motive in the bg it doesn’t work. Especially when it’s against a premade which I have to say is at least 60% of the games I play against. The real problem lies that the bg itself was meant to be solo qued but people hav found a way to get around that. That should be considered either bannable or they should just simply let us all group que through the game.
And youd never hope to rank again. People who pug AV will adopt strategies around farming LTs/Galv and get their honor win or lose…just like the rest of us. Games will take 20-35 minutes yielding up to 4-5k honor including kills. WSG premade? Sure you’ll get a few 8 minute wins…for less than 1400 honor. Youd have to win every game that way to have comparable honor gains to pugging AV. All it takes is a single game that is competitive in WSG to tank your honor/hour. So keep kicking your feet and screaming “ILL QUIT” if you’re forced to play the battleground as intended, it wont matter to anyone ranking.
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orc racial was nerfed? yea right
There are no BG numbers on Retail, yet premades still happen.
But that would be an actual desertion, right? Not just rejecting the queue pop as it is now.
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Yes, with 15 min debuff
First of it shouldn’t be bannable, but I agree the pulling drek by himself bug should be fixed. The reason the warmasters exist it to make you burn and defend towers/bunkers.
As for premades the only reason we do them is because we have instant queues. Horde can premade too, it’s just not as practical as it is for alliance. We have a much easier time getting the right comp and numbers, because if we drop we get another game right away. And in case you don’t know the reason this is possible is FACTION IMBALANCE.
It’s not hard for premades to dodge other premades in WSG. It was pretty standard for ranking on PServers. You have one person take the queue and determine whether they were up against a premade or a pug. It’s a premade the single person eats the debuff while the rest of the group drops and requeues, if it’s a pug they take and stomp them. I’m not sure if this was broken in classic as I haven’t tried it, but if it works this will be the new meta. So yes alliance rankers would no longer do AV.
No it was a hypothetical. If blizz nerfed their precious orcs it would be a miracle lol.
The second you guys get that 2 hour AV que because you have made the bg take hours to complete, you will demand it be changed again.
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Lol, this person has a hard for Orcs.
Don’t tell me you were trying to stun-locked an orc to dead?
This ain’t it. There are too many horde. What you suggest would make it worse for everyone. Alliance wouldn’t bother with your endless turtles and your queues would explode
And why is there faction imbalance?
Overpowered horde pvp racials which attract the majority of pvpers
Perhaps the horde want to rank up?
In my 7 min wins the horde get 3.5k+ honor and can get back in queue.
20 min later the horde get another game and another 3.5k honor
That puts em about 7k honor per hour not including all the kills they get in open world between games.
If horde turtle for 40 min they get 5k honor per hour (since the last 20 min is spent in queue)
Horde rankers who don’t turtle and spend the 7 mins solo killing stragglers in field of strife will earn the fastest honor by a large margin
You’re on the right track. In addition to removing all battleground numbers and requiring players to join the ‘First Available’ BG, make it so queue dodgers receive a deserter buff (preferably 30 minutes instead of 15).
nah, your facts are completely off on this, we barely get enough time to kill most of the commanders/LTs which is roughly 2k honor max per av, and queue times aren’t 20 mins anymore they are 30+.
We can get significantly more honor by turtling for a little bit while we establish 10 offense and 30 defense going. I’m not saying turtling the game and getting no bonus honor for 1 hour is the right move, but turtling so we can at least kill all the commanders/LTs and get some bunker caps up to at most 20-25 min games.
We would just mass queue with 400+ and divide into separate discords. The fact that we opened 10 games at the same time would basically ensure we would get 8/10 bgs with 35+.
It has nothing to do with faction imbalance. Basically what you said here was… Please don’t fix the problem.
So who decides on the 10 suckers who go offence and get hardly any honor so the 30 can farm alliance?