I was in Stormwind a few minutes ago on an alt when a character came up to me and did /eyes you up and down. He was wearing the x-ray goggles that make your character have no clothes. I didn’t see it at the time, but I saw his message come up again directed at someone else. I targeted him and that’s when I found out he was using the goggles. He is going up to female characters and /eye them until he gets a reaction from them. When I went to report him the options felt very limiting. I went with the chat report option. Is there anything else I can do to report him and have his behavior looked at?
There is no rule against using an item in-game or an emote, Aseris. If the person is spamming the emote, that might be an issue, if they are using a custom emote to use inappropriate language or subject matter, that is certainly something that can be looked at. Otherwise, using an item that allows the user to see the character without armor isn’t considered inappropriate.
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Even if they’re doing it to make people feel awkward? That seems really concerning to me. I don’t mind the item or emote existing, but going up to people and implying that you are looking at their character for sexual satisfaction is very worrying to me, especially since he is waiting for their reaction.
There are a lot of things that can make people feel awkward, there is little we can do there. I do understand your concerns, Aseris, they are likely trying to get some engagement out of it.
You should be able to place the person on ignore, which will block the emotes.
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I don’t think this type of behavior should be allowed. I know you are doing your job, but this is borderline sexual harassment. I may be able to put him on ignore, but he’s still doing this to other people, and will continue to do such. I won’t press further, but it is really concerning to me that nothing will be done. It didn’t just make me feel uncomfortable, but one of the other people he did it to as well said she also felt violated.
Your best bet right now is to submit your suggestion using the in-game suggestions/bug feature. That gets it to the devs without you having to post in General Discussion - which is the other place they review for suggestions.
They won’t answer you, but at least you know you were able to submit your suggestion that the emote be changed or removed.
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Thank you Mirasol. I’m fine with the item and emote being in the game, but I think the context in which he is using it should not be allowed.
It is really hard to police that though. The only way I can think of is to have the emote disabled when someone is using the item. That would ensure nobody could see your undergarments in game while using that emote to notify you about it. You are free to make that suggestion.
Otherwise, there are a lot of things that can bother one person, and not another. I used to get grossed out when someone would gank me then lick me. My roommate used to tease me that being licked was going to cause me to have orc babies. Which he knew I thought was even grosser. It did make me laugh a lot, I admit.
It was a me thing though, mostly. Short of removing all the emotes in game though there are always going to be some situations that make someone, somewhere, uncomfy. How would you write rules for that? Don’t use /emote when wearing X item?
Again, suggesting they disable the emote if someone is wearing the goggles might be the only solid option you have.
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I think my recommendation is that it should be at least looked at as a report based on it is making people uncomfortable, rather than that he is just using an item and an emote. It should be viewed as a violation of the code of conduct. Especially if someone says it is making them uncomfortable, and asks him to stop. Getting licked after you get killed is one thing, but when someone is ogling your character and trying to get your attention that they are doing it is very concerning. I’ll go ahead and put in a suggestion, but it is very disheartening to hear that nothing can be done. Not even a warning that his behavior is unacceptable.
I’m a bit confused by this, so /spit and a few other emotes were considered harassment and whatever reason, yet for some reason this behavior is okay? I get you can’t imply or just know their actions right away, but you’d think this would be put into consideration a bit more after the scandal.
Another thing I am a bit confused with is how is he seeing other players without their armor?
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This sounds like a GREAT topic for General, as Vrak & the other Blues here will be unable to offer you any more insight than they already have, nor are they liaisons able to “pass it up the chain”.
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I think some individuals might be uncomfortable with it, certainly. The /spit was being used by someone encouraging millions of people to use it to harass others. Under normal circumstances someone might not like /lick or /spit, but it was not being used before as a mass harassment tool. Once it was, they took away the toys because people could not play nice.
The emote alone is not an issue. To look at someone in a shiny transmog, tier armor, etc - totally normal and cool. It is only the implication that the goggles remove the armor that is creepy when used with the emote together.
I get it, I would /ignore and suggest the emote be disabled when using the goggles. I am not sure enough of an issue for the Devs to do that, but that is the way to suggest it.
No no no. It would create a massive trolling thread and the poor OP would be harassed to death there. That is why I said to use the in-game suggestion feature so they don’t have the peanut gallery throwing rotten tomatoes.
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Yeah, I get what you’re saying and this topic is a bit tricky, but I am just kind of surprised goggles exist like that. I don’t know really.
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Welcome to old WoW…
There are a lot of things that are kind of “sophomoric humor” in game. Some of it is funny, some is a bit gross, some is going to make people feel uncomfy. That is one of the reasons after the lawsuits they asked the staff about things in game they think were particularly a problem. I guess the painting that got turned to fruit had a much bigger story to staff then we knew, hence the change. Other things will, over time, be recognized as sort of inapropraite and updated. Maybe.
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Oh I meant for the actual discussion of “why this & not that”, not for the OP to be crucified (which they would) but the whataboutism that always comes up in these is best served where the CM’s & Devs can see it and make their call. Not specifically about OP’s personal feelings on it tho, that I wouldnt wish on (most) anyone.
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Today GD is busy fighting about “outrage” related to Tyreal’s Charger. They have meat already. Heh. Given how anything like this turns into a social/political discussion on GD I just don’t see it going well. We have had endless /spit threads already and the Devs are aware of the debate about removal of misused things.
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And to clarify I don’t want things to be removed. I would just like the report to be looked at from a code of conduct pov, rather than he is using an emote and an item.
I tend to agree with the OP.
Behavior that was tolerable over 10 years ago is no longer sustainable in the “me too” era as the most recent action against Harvey Weinstein demonstrates.
Social mores change over time. Blizzard needs to come up to speed. WoW isn’t the boys club it used to be.
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I’ll be the one to kick the elephant in the room. While it is not localized to Moon Guard alone (seeing as the OP is posting from a MG alt) by any means, nor is that any excuse for it happening - our server has an unfortunate reputation that will always be perpetuated by unsavory people such as these.
What I will add though, I would have absolutely looked over their TRP if they had one filled out. If they had something in their profile that wasn’t appropriate - such as if they had their “currently” set to them walking around and casing out the local scenery, as it were. There is actually a spot built into TRP that you can click to report the profile. Granted it goes through as a Harassment ticket (not sure why that particular path, but c’est la vie). I usually screencap the TRP too, just so they have a visual reference for what I was reporting. What the person was doing might have been skeevy all on it’s own merit, but compounded with a possible inappropriate TRP - that may get you a little further.
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No it wont. Blizzard goes by their logs, not what is contextualized in a report. If it doesn’t currently violate the ToU, then they will take the suggestion into consideration.
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