Or they just don’t pug high keys. (The high io tanks)
That too but the pugs that exist mostly slow fill and they’ll sit around waiting for a 3k/630 tank for 20m. So if you’re at 2700 and trying to break into 12s it takes forever. That is my current dilemma, and I actually stopped tanking and brought up my dps rio because it’s easier to get into groups for 12s. Before 12 yeah it’s a lot faster and easier to get groups on a tank.
Leaving a M+ group that was titled “Weekly completion, no leaver” because 1 person died, or the healer is doing less dps than the tank is, or one cast went through and wiped a group, is toxic though. Its also toxic mentality to be willing to leave a group because “lol its not my key getting depleted, see ya”.
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Yeah I recognized their name from years ago. Finally just blocked them and moved on. Fear of change because its their favorite game mode and nothing more, having to invent boogeymen to “prove” their point.
In your scenario, you’re likely not timing and your key will have deranked anyway. And yes, it sucks, but that’s pugging for ya. Ignore and move on.
The consistent tank/healer nerfs (stamina buff only works if you dont buff dmg at the same time, and ofc tww most tanks lost a defensive and some sustain) are why I swapped. Ill mess around on a healer in the open world, but im having fun on a balance druid now
But your fine if it causes others (even those not responsible for the failure) to derank. Thats the exact toxic mentality I was talking about. “Lol its not my key getting depleted, see ya”
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honestly they just need to make tanking/healing more fun, and the problem would solve itself.
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It’s not fine to leave a completion tagged key. But that’s irrelevant to this discussion. They would still leave without deranking. Solution to that is to stop pugging.
I didn’t leave anything out and your example just further proves that you just don’t get it. In your example both result in the same answer of =4. When I explained to you multiple times that the current format “=4” and would be “=>4” with keys not depleting.
You said this multiple times and you keep coming back.
It’s not trolling to argue against bad ideas. I literally explained how removing depletions would be a net-negative for pugs. The benefits of removing depletions are short-sighted and selfish.
In those scenarios I only wanted vault reward for the week, as hinted by the whole
post.
Its happened with 90% of the keys I’ve attempted to pug the last 3 expansions. My sample size is low, because I rarely pug my own keys. And no, this isn’t a “you must be the problem because your the common denominator” thing. I’m fairly consistently top dps in my keys, and don’t die to bad at a higher than usual amount.
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Its not.
It is, because if they removed depletion at least if I pugged my own key I wouldn’t get punished twice for failure.
See above. At least now I’m only having my time wasted once and not twice.
I pretty much did. Would be nice if I could just pug again though instead of praying that a group is willing to invite me or relying on guild members to invite me to keys.
Sometimes its nice to be able to just log on and go do a M+ for your weekly vault and not worry about bricking, getting invited to other pugs, or having to wait on other people to log in.
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I dunno, this whole thing would just benefit the key holder while making it worse for everyone else.
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It’s entirely short sighted and selfish. This person literally stayed up all night arguing with everyone who thinks degrading is bad. Claims they need to drop the argument, but keeps coming back. They are failing 90% of their keys, self reported, and blaming the system.
It would definitely benefit the key holder, as for whether or not it makes it worse for everyone else we don’t know until we try it. Difference between you and Sosari is that you at least seem capable of realizing that you have a theory on what M+ would be like with no depletes and don’t pretend as though you’ve looked into your magical crystal ball and it showed you a terrible future in which M+ was full of nothing but bad players trying to get their undepletable keys carried.
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Probably a little more complex than that. Learning tanks and healers aren’t going to do much to be a help to the community (at least not until they’ve played a lot). Even being a veteran healer player, swapping class/specs can be a big uphill battle.
I got bored on Rsham earlier this season and swapped to Priest. 5’s-6’s have been my limit so far as Disc.
What overwheighs every “negative” impact,
is that people would start giving each other a chance.
This trolling palladin gatekeeps bcs they are only getting invites.
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Would love to know their opinion on pugging if they had the same experiences as I have with getting declined for 16 hours straight or having people leave your “weekly no leaver” keys for reasons like the healer doing less dps than the tank.
Oh wait, they told me to just form my own group, and then insisted that if I dared to do such a thing I should be repeatedly punished for the failures of other players in my group. They’re against their key depleting if they are not the leader though, for reasons.
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We do though. We absolutely do. As it stands, if the key holder doesn’t leave for fear of deranking, he stays and the group may continue. The other 4 may leave.
Without depletion, that fear is removed, now they also may leave. Just there makes pugging worse for everyone but the key holder.
I’m not supposing on other factors here even though they would probably happen. Just facts.
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You also refuse to run your own key, so there’s that.