How Should they replace resilience in TBC?

If you say so. You seem to know what you’re talking about. All I remember about resilience is people complaining about it all the time.

My point is simply that if you’re stuck in 30+ min games constantly, it’s by your own fault. There are plenty of viable comps that never experience a 5+ minute game and are still R1 viable. And even comps such as WD, LD and RP can be played aggressively to avoid those games.

Now, if you queue as HD or MP, everyone hates you anyway and you deserve to be stuck in 30+ min games.

I didn’t buff crit reliant classes, I just didn’t nerf them like Resilience currently does as it impacts them all equally so DoT classes don’t get barely touched like they do currently.

Rogues non-critical hits will be lower as well as their critical hits, same with Shadow Priests and the rest.

And this impacts more than just Sandbox duels.

Lmao if you think pve gear is useless in pvp in BC you and I played very different games.

I used full t6 in arena to get a r1 title during BC. You could easily weave in pve gear in arena in BC.

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And none of it will ever happen.

Resilience was the best thing they ever did speak for yourself

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resilience was the best thing added to the game, are you high

If I go on classic, I can kill someone in 7 seconds, it makes pvp boring and cringe

increasing combat time by providing pvp gear was a better metric for skill

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I agree - this seems to be what the SL change is aimed at fixing. The effect of the PvP trinkets, if they tune it correctly, will outweigh anything gotten via raiding or M+.

I’d rather the open world be care bears than the raid bosses.

The open world might be easier in retail, but it’s supposed to be. Nobody is in retail to spend an hour and a half doing a single quest, or needing to spam general for a group because there are 4 gnolls around your objective instead of 2. but even with that, the squish has made the open world much more dangerous, even to folks in heirlooms.

I’m all for WotLK classic servers, but the lesson you should have taken away from Classic is that both old and new have their fans. Eliminating either one just loses those players.

I think the community will have a rude awakening with WotLK.

Gotta remember that half the expansion is Naxx25 and TotC. Who really wants to do Naxx… for the third time (2009 Retail LK, 2020 Classic, 2023 Classic LK).

Wrath, to me, need the most work in terms of making things more difficult from the jump. Naxx and the heroics were a joke right from the start and ToC and ICC need there lockouts removed. Thats just to start …

I am playing vanilla because retail is a raging dumpster fire.

Vanilla is not very good either, its just miles better than retail.

I am here for TBC and beyond

They should replace it with something called “git gud”.

How about no? Resil saved pvp. I’ve never cared for pve it’s the most boring aspect of the game in my opinion. Oh wow fighting a scripted raid boss and rolling on loot so much fuuuunz lmao.

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1 Why do you keep saying its important for balance that we remove resilance?
I belive that its a shallow stat and that applying something across the board that nerfs crit doesnt make any sense. Having some classes required to wear every single drop of it for BIS while others want just a few peices makes no sense. If i think TBC could use balance changes at all ( i do) It does not really make sense to adress those until im sure i dont want to change any core mechanics. So I ask is resilance perfect or even close to it in my opinon and the asnwer i get is well no. Due to how it works It makes it so guys in pvp BLUES in many cases have as good or better gear than guys in karazan EPICS that just doesnt seem right to me and even worse its not consistant across the board.

In my opinon it makes more sense that blues are comparable to blues and epics to epics with each in their respective catagory having an advatage in most cases. I still want gear to mean something i still want choices im trying to eliminate somethings that just dont make sense to me. I think the game could have much more depth with balance choices without resilance as a baseline. It may be the fact that some kind of damage mitagation pvp stat is ideal but if thats true its not what resilance was any time during BC in my opinon. Without such a heavy handed stat we could look at cool bonuses or pvp abilities to make people want the gear. IE instant cast cyclone now comes from pvp feral gear only or something whatever im not the best creator just giving an example.

  1. Why do you want a 1 shotfest
    I dont in general i liked the balence of TBC in general length of arena match and the flow of the game but its could be improved upon. I envsion matchups and comps working in similar but better ways. IE a rog mages comp still heavily uses CC but instead of it lasting 8 years they have stgronger burst due to no resil and still lean on cc but it doest last 8 years becuase we have learned its already worth using even if its not nearly as long. So i agree some kind of defense stat should be on pvp gear however resilance was too much.

As much as I don’t like resilience It’s a major system from TBC and there’s zero chance they remove it. The honor system is a bad system yet It’s in classic and some people like it, Classic is about reliving the past, not changing it.

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Ouf… as someone said before, this just read as fan fiction.

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You should feel that way, and that should be your experience.

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That is what classic for vanilla was but no promises have been made for TBC they haven’t even announced it. The time to lobby for quality balance changes is now. Considering all anyone is really hyped for is arena I think its important we balance things now so all classes are viable. I have been thinking about it and it seems like nerfing crit is arbitrary maybe a flat damage reduction on a smaller magnitude combine with CC and talent crit nerfs where needed to reign in burst and CC. After that we could end up only needing minor tweaks such as the nerfing lifebloom dots and cc timers on fear/clone/sheep/blind/sap/trap etc.

They know arena will be a headache. I don’t think it happens at all.

You CLEARLY do not play retail because bfa was the biggest dumpster fire even your nightmares couldn’t dream up