im not disagreeing
I would wager the vast majority play just one of a class, and enjoy both pve and pvp, without feeling a need to respec for each activity. Only the most sweaty try hards need crutches like dual spec and WBs.
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Somewhat, not that it is relevant.
I want games to retain integrity. You clearly do not care about that.
Then build for PvP and stick with that spec for the rest of the game. Again, this goes back to choices mattering.
Ah, I see.
THIS crutch good. THAT crutch bad.
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So did you quit both retail and TBC classic? I doubt it.
I purchased a boost via the deluxe edution, got a new mount that appeared both on my TBC and Retail characters. And Iād do it again if they let me purchase more than one per account. lol. I have no interest in grinding out the first 58 levels. I wish I could boost to 70, tbh.
In any case, to original point, Iād like a fresh vanilla reset if it was also classic+. And I agree with whoever defined classic+ as including the modern āimprovementsā of retail, especially the character models. Personally, I think it would be fun to play in the vanilla world with the vanilla rules, but with all the other updates that exist in retail. I realize thatās not a popular option with most of the classic crowd, but regardless, Iād pay to play that (And thatās all blizzard cares about lol).
Yeah, no. For Warrior Fury is by far better and more fun to play in PvE and Arms is by far better and more fun to play in PvP. For Rogue itās the same between Combat and Sub. This is pretty common knowledge. Have you played classic before?
And WBs are hardly a ācrutchā when youāre using them to significantly raise the stakes of runs by doing things like having a Paladin or Hunter pull the triple Drak pack before Chromaggus aside with a petri pot, killing Chromaggus, then pulling the Draks into Nefās room, starting the RP event, and killing them along with Nef ad waves. Pulling double and triple tech packs. Pulling 2 Drakes at once and cleaving them down together.
Please explain to me how meandering through a 17 year old raid without world buffs, one pull at a time, with very minimal risk, is the ācrutchlessā and high octane way to play.
Your viewpoint is extremely selfish. The game isnāt designed just for you and the small group of players that share your extreme views. Blizzard acknowledged that the #nochanges crowd you belong to heavily hurt classic the first time around.
Stop being toxic and trying to ruin other peopleās fun. All you have to do is make a guild with like minded players to compete in the no buffs category. Warcraftlogs made an entirely separate ranking system just for people like you. But guess what? Turns out most players arenāt like you.
Donāt want to use new features in the game like dual spec? Then donāt use them. The solution to all of your āproblemsā are literally in your own hands already.
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The solution you gave him is the same solution you have. If you want these feature they are there for you in Retail??? Why not play Retail?
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Donāt even worry about. Based on the chronoboon, the surveys that went out and what streamers were complaining about, the no changes thing is dead.
Ironically even private servers implemented major changes to handle things like server balance long ago. the museum piece thing was nice but didnāt work.
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whatās selfish is wanting to jam retail things like dual spec into vanilla classic.
we want to play vanilla classic. not retail.
if blizzard adds dual spec to vanilla classic, weāre not playing it.
thankfully, even current day blizzard is smart enough to understand this, so iām not too worried about it.
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Iām all for some minor changes. I would love to see some changes that nerf the mage boosting nonsense, for example.
Dual spec, however, is not a minor change. Itās a huge one, and if you donāt understand that, well, letās just say Iām glad youāre not a game designer.
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The way I see it is the following.
Vanilla realms that we do have right now, are mostly unchanged from original 1.12. I personally dislike 1.12 due xrealm and AV changes, but it is still the closest Vanilla experience we do have right now.
If, new realms ever come then they must be different to those we have now. This either means, they change things in a way to make it more Vanilla, like 1.1 with old talents and stuff or they add retail features that people are asking for.
Be it LFG; Transmog or Dual spec.
To just release the same type of game again, is not going to work, as there would be no real motivation to renew a sub for a game you played through twice before, unless you are a min maxer that still needs the mount or Rank 14, but those have an active sub anyways.
People that are not subbed right now, are either not interested in retail or in vanilla. You will not get them back, by just giving them what they could already have and found not pleasent enough to do. Therefore, a different realm + client would be needed, for both versions of WOW, to bring players back.
We know this wont happen with retail, as there the expansions are what bring the changes. At Vanilla and TBC it could be a different version of the game, but as we can see at this forum, there is no unity in how these realms should look like, just like there was no unity in the first place about changes or no changes.
Because of this, Blizzard can only lose if they invest time or men power, which makes it more and more unlikely that anything major will come out of this. They wont release a changes and no changes Vanilla additionally to the currently running version that is for sure.
Personally, the only reason for me to leave my Vanilla realm would be a more Vanilla like version with 1.5 AV, 1.1. talents and no xrealm, while offering dual spec. I can forget about dual spec, if the other things come, but I am sure that there are a few hundred people that would come up with things they want, which would all be different to each other.
So in the end, the community has already sailed the ship towards a rock and it will be a rude awakening once they realize that nothing will show up on the horizon except for a pitch black wall.
Based on that logic, world buffs are already in Classic. If you donāt want them, why not play Retail???
Awesome, thereās only a handful of you left and most of you will quit before phase 3 anyway, so no big loss. As someone said above, Blizzard has already done surveys in favor of many changes and the Chronoboon was very well received, so itās not even a debate. There will be changes, so maybe you should start looking for a different game.
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I will absolutely play on fresh classic with a few caveats - I do want some changes - but those changes need to be pretty small.
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No world buffs in raids except perhaps Naxx since it was supposedly tuned around them.
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99% XP penalty when grouped with someone 7+ levels higher than you to eliminate boosting (frankly Iād be okay if they relaxed this for 50-60 only because some 60s want to run dungeons accessible by people 52 ish)
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Randomize the trade materials needed for AQ gates to open so people canāt pre-prepare for it.
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Raise debuff slot limit
These things will make me NOT play a fresh server:
- Store boosts of any kind.
- An in game store
- reduced XP requirements to reach 60
- dual spec
- āseasonalā gameplay and faster raid releases
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it is you who is the minority. the kind of doofus who would want dual spec in vanilla classic of all things
weāre all ok with some changes. such as removing world buffs from raids and nerfing the mage boost meta. but dual spec is not one of them.
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youāre wrong. people want vanilla. what they donāt want is the current dead servers
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Exactly. I tried TBC classic was looking forward doing the Outland content leveling a new character but the world was dead since everyone was paying for boosts. I was questing in STV and there was no pvpā¦no pvp in STV, thatās not vanilla!
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so sad 
Holy cow, you really are full of yourself. Whatās your full octane Hogger kill spreed with WBs? Betting it is pretty gnarly.
My viewpoint more closely aligns to the original iteration and intent (as witnessed from OG beta all through vanilla) of the game. Sorry/not sorry if you do not agree.
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āNo changesā never existed with Classic, despite folks pretending it did and demonizing it.