How long are we going to argue over Msv and Rsv

I could log a boosted hunter, alt hunter, main hunter, random hunter and you still wouldn’t be satisfied… it still wouldn’t change anything to the subject.

Going by that absurd logic, YOU are providing invalid argument right now and shouldn’t post on these forums because you do not play current retail.

See how ridiculous that is?

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I don’t require people to post on Hunters. I just want to have a discussion with Hunter players about the Hunter class. You have both demonstrated that you don’t know enough about the Hunter class or how the Hunter class operates. So I would like you to show that you play Hunters. If you don’t play Hunters, then why should I care about your opinion?

False. If you don’t have a Hunter, and you haven’t played a Hunter, then you aren’t capable of providing meaningful insight into anything that has to do with the Hunter class. I on the other hand have played Hunter for over 7 years, and have played retail for that length of time as well.

Your argument would only be valid if I didn’t play retail at all. Therefore, you argument is false.

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I played a hunter for 15 years. All retail. Nothing on that classic thing. Lets make random claims.

Classes / game changes at every xpac… the Survival you know from legion no longer exist. Azerite, essence, corruption have changed much. This is true for every class in game. But you wouldn’t know… since I based all that derp thinking using your avatar.

I made no random claims. As I explained earlier. If you refuse to provide very easily accessible evidence that you play a Hunter, then it is most likely true that you don’t play a Hunter. That’s the most logical conclusion.

And it seems that there are quite a few Hunters on the forums expressing dismay over this. They miss the pure melee SV and don’t like this melee/ranged hybrid. Why don’t you want them to be able to play their pure melee SV spec?

No thats the logic of a 5 year old thinking he knows all.


Avoiding the subject at hand… you saw how absurd your thinking was and you are attempting to change the subject.

Well Mr Troll, I’ve fed you enough for tonight. Back to ignore !

No. It’s pretty sound logic. People don’t believe your claim that you play a hunter. Showing that you do in fact play a hunter would take less than a minute to get the link to your hunter’s profile and post it. You refuse to do so. Ergo you don’t play a hunter. You can prove us wrong, but every time you deny it and refuse to show any proof for it, it just cements the belief that you don’t.

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/twisting-nether/zaken

Want me to go on? I have 10 hunters… 3 at 120. Does it change anything? Nop. Mr Troll will keep trolling. You’re still going to say the same stuff. The crusaders will still crusade with hand picked data.

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False. I was simply pointing out how your example was apples and oranges.

Now make the account you are posting on not hidden so we can compare achievements. Frankly it shouldn’t be hidden by default.

Here’s my credit card info 5504 4548 5468 5444 the 3 numbers behind it 654
exp 19/02 mother birth name Celine Dion my birthday 1969 / 11/ 07

Still unhappy? Aww poop… well thats ok I found out the ignore feature on forum, you’re added to it! This is now truly a goodbye.

Funny that one of those 120 hunters was not one you chose to link…

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I guess this shows how you don’t read anything and simply jump to the reply button.

So you confirm that you still do not play a Hunter. You are unwilling to demonstrate why we should value your opinion, and ignore anybody asking you why we should. You already didn’t have any credibility. Now you have even less.

Can we please stop discussing this particular topic? It is incredibly, incredibly dumb. If people don’t post on a certain class or a certain level… at some point you’re going to have to Let That Go.

(Cute name for a Vulpera, though. Gobo.)

Seriously, can we please turn our attention back to RSV vs MSV (I can’t believe I just typed that), which is the topic of this thread, rather over exposing Azagorod for either a “real” or a “fake” Hunter, please?

BTW, Spinnerdh, I might be wrong but I think a feature of the new forums is that now each character displays their individual achievement points rather than the entire account’s. That’s why Watermist shows 18k something instead of the 20k that I have across my account.

In the end? We could profess ourselves to be an expert in something (e.g., I like to claim that I know a bit about Hunters due to having mained one continually for 15 years), but in the end we do not know everything. I’m constantly getting called out on my mistakes. :slightly_smiling_face:

(This is also aimed at you, Azagorod. Just accept constructive criticism and move on. Don’t dig in and fight over your answers. This goes to all the posters here, but you have the reputation of a troll because you refuse to admit when you were wrong.)

My problem is that a person who doesn’t play Hunter doesn’t really have the experience nor understanding of the class to properly discuss it, nor take a position on what is good or bad for the class. If a person isn’t even willing to show that they play the class, then why should we take them seriously when they make sweeping statements about the class and its history?

I understand your position. I really do.

I just think you’re kind of beating a dead horse at the moment. Most of the regulars on this forum already knows that Azagorod isn’t always right in what he says.

I think it would do all of us some good if we just… leave Azagorod alone. Stop replying to him and all that.

We can focus on other threads and other ideas instead. :slight_smile:

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In that case, it seems he has already ignored me. So that solves one problem.

I made a new post earlier providing reasons as to how reintroducing ranged SV could only yield profit for Blizzard. Reintroducing Ranged Survival as a fourth spec can ONLY be profitable

What do you think Watermist?

I’ve played hunter longer and at a higher level than you for 15 years. I frankly could care less what you want or feel, as I’ve forgotten more about hunter than you’ve ever known.

Let’s be real here. No one is right when this is how you try to get your points across. As I mentioned I love melee survival, but there’s nothing wrong with people wanting a 4th spec. I hope it happens for them.

But arguing like this isn’t going to get any one any results. Your just wasting time.

Still laughing at some guy up there told me I hated ranged hunter cause I play melee with no proof lol. We just out here wildly assuming and attacking.

Every one wants the same thing. A class they enjoy but every one is afraid changes means taking from what they already enjoy.

Let’s find common ground.

Blizzard never gives any weight to what players have to say on the forums, so there is not one player here that can take MSV away even if they wanted it to be removed. Even if you do not like another poster has to say it is easier to just ignore as replying back brings the topic back up. If you want to stop see the same topic then just let it be buried under all the other posts, or just not even click on the discussion.

If you want to express your love for a spec or hate then you have all that right to do so. To simply look for a discussion so they can start the same long winded fight to the point of conflict will never lead to anything constructive. No individual has ever come out on top by having a fight on the forums, there is always some other player who will tell you how wrong you are and how they know more about the topic. People who constantly argue seek control and power over others. You cannot reason with them, so it’s best to withdraw from an argument than try to prove them wrong.

There is no argument to have in defending MSV Blizzard has already made that decision for everyone. If you love MSV then go play there is no one that can stop that, but for all those who have lost RSV try to understand that they lost a play-style they loved and are hurt. They simply want to find a place that they can express that feeling with others who feel the same.

4 years is enough time to express those feelings. People should be able to talk about the current iteration of SV without it turning into this in every thread.

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