How is Ret getting nerfed when it's MID?

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

I or other paladins could tell you the problems we have but I highly doubt you’d acknowledge said problems.

Your self-perceived problems are not actual problems.

I would like to refer you to my previous post:

@Athernon-faerlina

Every ret paladin has trouble getting invited to mythic plus groups and instantly assumes it is because ret paladin is weak/undertuned and doesn’t perform well.

The reality is that ret paladins perform VERY well and take absolutely no effort to perform on a high level so you have 10,000 ret paladins signing up for every mythic dungeon group (if you tried to run your own key, you would know this).

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

@Athernon-faerlina

Your self-perceived problems are not actual problems.

See? There ya go.

Why even bother ask me to tell you what is “flawed with ret” when already your mindset is “self-perceived problems are not actual problems”?

This is why I stated…

@Turalyonn-dalaran

why waste both of our times?

So when you state that ret is perfect, my response is…

@Turalyonn-dalaran

Uh-huh. Okay.

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

is “self-perceived problems are not actual problems”?

Ok so let’s take a look then, shall we?

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

@Athernon-faerlina

Ok so let’s take a look then, shall we?

Do you really want to go here? You’ve already shown your disdain for paladins. But I’m bored for now, so…

@Athernon-faerlina

Do you think that ret paladins do not do enough damage?

On live, I think we’re in a decent spot. On PTR, that might be a different story.

@Athernon-faerlina

Authority of the depths for weapon enchant and dawn thread lining x2 for embellishments are the standard for every high rated mythic plus ret paladin

Authority of the Depths is more for single target. Stonebound Artistry is more for aoe.

Next?

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

Authority of the Depths is more for single target. Stonebound Artistry is more for aoe.

There’s a reason why all high rated mythic plus ret paladins use authority of the depths for mythic plus

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

@Athernon-faerlina

There’s a reason why all high rated mythic plus ret paladins use authority of the depths for mythic plus: ret paladins do more than enough AOE, they lack prio damage which authority of the depths help them with.

Of course our single target is lacking, all rets know this. But the majority of our fights is trash, thus why Stonebound is a good thing.
Now, what in the hell does this line of questioning have to do with rets being “perfect” as you’ve stated? Or that paladins have “self-perceived problems are not actual problems”?

Stay on track…

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

Or that paladins have “self-perceived problems are not actual problems”?

It seems as though most rets don’t understand how their class works

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

@Athernon-faerlina

It seems as though most rets don’t understand how their class works - they use incorrect enchants and incorrect embellishments and then complain that they don’t do enough dmg.

Wait, wait…

You’re telling everyone here that ret is “perfect”, YOUR words, because most paladins don’t know the class? That’s why ret is “perfect”???

That’s your “logic”???

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

You’re telling everyone here that ret is “perfect”, YOUR words, because most paladins don’t know the class?

Yes that is the basic gist of my statements:

Ret paladin when piloted properly performs much better than many other classes, very close to the top. Now, if you use the wrong talents, wrong embellishments, wrong gems, wrong rotation, of course you will not see good results on a ret paladin.

But that issue can be resolved by looking at a ret paladin guide and improving your gameplay

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

@Athernon-faerlina

Yes that is the basic gist of my statements

Oh Geezus!! And you wonder why most rets aren’t taking you seriously.

Dude, you’re amusing. You do you…

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

And you wonder why most rets aren’t taking you seriously.

i was just making a statement regarding the proper playstyle of the class.

[Turalyonn-dalaran]

Dude, why are you still talking about this? You already made your point (misguided as it may be) about why ret is perfect.

You do you…

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

rets aren’t taking you seriously.

To be quite frank, I am entirely indifferent as to what the ret paladin players think of me or my statements.

I am saying these things to bring them to the attention of blizzard so that they don’t do any knee-jerk buffing of rets for no reason.

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Turalyonn-dalaran

You already made your point

My point is that ret paladin, when played properly, performs much better than many classes (only performs slightly worse than frost DK and enhance shaman).

[Battlecruisr-kiljaeden]

@Athernon-faerlina

use incorrect enchants and incorrect embellishments

This is like a 1% difference and not even worth arguing about.

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Battlecruisr-kiljaeden

This is like a 1% difference

If someone is using the wrong enchants, wrong gems and wrong embellishments, do you think it is likely that they are performing their dps rotations perfectly?

[Battlecruisr-kiljaeden]

That’s not a jump I’m going to make. Copying wowheads consumables guide for gems and enchants doesn’t somehow mean you know your class. Equally, deciding to buy cheaper gems/enchants because min maxing the final 1% isn’t worth it doesn’t mean you don’t know how to play.

[Athernon-faerlina]

@Battlecruisr-kiljaeden

Copying wowheads consumables guide for gems and enchants doesn’t somehow mean you know your class.

But failure to do this easy and preliminary step is likely quite telling that the player hasn’t done any homework to learn how to play the rotation, correct?

And if a ret paladin player isn’t seeing good damage output because they don’t know the rotation, the player simply needs to learn the rotation - it doesn’t mean rets need a buff

[Renae-sargeras]

@Athernon-faerlina

Has best survivability of any dps spec

This is not true at all.

@Athernon-faerlina

Can do 95% of their damage from 20 yards AS A MELEE spec.

You can do 4 attacks every 9 seconds, without being in melee you do not get Art of War resets, and you lose that HP generation, so this is also untrue.

@Athernon-faerlina

Now you might ask, why are there 500 rets signing up for every mythic dungeon group? Here’s your answer: the spec is so easy to play and overpowered that everyone wants to play it.

The first part is correct, but you act like other specs are hard, especially the ones above Ret in terms of M+ DPS, Enhancement Shaman is not anymore difficult.

@Athernon-faerlina

Ok tell me one thing that is flawed with ret.

Defensives besides bubble are very weak, 20% for 8s is one of the worst in the game. SoV is on the GCD and only lasts 10s, it also doesn’t reduce damage, it’s just an absorb. Bubble is also on GCD.

Our AOE CC is on a long CD and has very little range.

Our interrupt went from being 10 yards to melee with no instant gap closer so if you are out of range, RIP.

The range of our AOE is also very limited, not sure what counts as nearby but I swear it feels like less than 5 yards. Having to aim DS while in a clump of mobs is irritating.

Everything is nerfed in PVP, pretty sure every single thing has a negative modifier, which makes Ret extremely hard to balance.

Ret is mid in raid, good in M+ and I’m not sure in PVP seems underwhelming outside of Solo/Blitz. We didn’t deserved to be nerfed by a few percent, and thats what this topic is about, stick to it.

[Krystil-elune (Krystil)]

Look you are both beautiful snowflakes, but as they say the grass is always greener on the other side. Paladins are in a good spot right now end of story. At the same time if your not focused on the top 1% who cares if you are using the best enchants and what not play with whatever you enjoy. I use a tanking gem in my DPS ring cause it helps my survival. Yes I’m throwing away some DPS to use it. No I don’t care about just a tiny bit more DPS. I’m not a hard core raider or top 1% I just focus on what I find to be fun.