When I was a fairly hardcore raider years ago, and once we had the content down pretty well, we used to swap out a few of the core raiders each week for newer or more casual members so they could get experience doing the raid and get gear. It worked well most of the time and gave people that didn’t always have the opportunity to raid time to experience it. It also allowed us to see who may be a strong raider that we could add to the core team. Strong raiding guilds will have some content on farm so they may be willing to carry other members through it at times.
Half right. The stigma of being a hardcore player is created by a segment of players who want to pretend that they themselves are casual, when they are not. See examples in this thread and others, where you have un-bought KSM, AOTC etc type players declaring themselves to be casual.
Pretty hard tbh. Alot less room for error. Strats are more rigid than Heroic requiring certain comps. Dps checks are obviously tighter.
That being said. Shriek and Huntsman M are easier than sire H.
Why can’t people that play casually get AOTC or KSM?
Are they not skilled enough to complete content?
Weird to say all casual players are bad at WoW.
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That isn’t something a casual player would say.
TBH I am not sure you can speak for people that play WoW casually.
But you can? Seems like we’re done here, agree to disagree.
I am not speaking for every single person that plays “casually”. You are.
I am saying that people that play WoW “casually” come from all walks of life, and have all sorts of skill levels. They can enjoy WoW in many different ways.
You are giving extremely strict definitions of “casual” play, saying they can’t do X or Y under any circumstances.
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It’s definitely awkward. Some of the bench-warmers didn’t want to warm the bench last night, so we got into a situation where we did Kael with 5 healers and then wanted to do Inerva and didn’t have people to swap in and it’s like… whelp, I guess that’s it for raid for the night. Blizzard could definitely do a better job ensuring these fight have a more consistent roster across the tier, especially if you’re expected to down all of your farm bosses each week to fill the Mythic vault.
the hardest part about Mythic Raiding is dealing with Mythic Raiders
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mythic has an extremely steep learning curve.
the jump in difficulty between the mid-bosses and the ultimate one ( council to stone legion) is bigger than the jump between heroic denatrius and mythic council.
however, denatrius is unusually easy compared to other mythic end bosses.
twitches
memories of the Kael plate cycle of EverQuest resurface
Casual isnt a free pass to be wrong
You have a super low opinion of casual players based on you definitions.
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I have a realistic opinion of them, none of which are skill based.
Let’s take an interesting scenario, a world first raider who burns out on the scene, but still enjoys the game, and spends the next expansion simply logging in, doing world quests, being social, and that’s about it.
Is he a hardcore player?
Like many posts above said, it depends on your definition of “casual”.
There are casual mythic guilds and in my experience they tend to require atleast:
- 2 day raid weeks (~3hours/night)
- mandatory voice chat (Discord)
- require you to know your class well (conduits, talent setups each fight, legendries, stats, etc…)
- watch mythic boss videos before new boss fights
- be able to achieve at minimum ~40% parse and improve through reviewing Warcraftlogs
If you are new to mythic raiding it can be a bit much at first. However, if you’ve done heroic raiding in a guild to the point of getting AoTC. It’s not that big of a step up, especially the first couple bosses.
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This is a perfect example of something that is flat out NOT a casual scenario.
I agree but that’s about as casual as it gets for mythic raiding. Now if you are going the guildless route, there is always the option to pug Mythic now with the Hall of Fame now open with Alliance and Horde guilds each getting 100+ Cutting Edge kills. You can probably log on and kill the first 2 mythic bosses in a pug. But my guess is they will look at your boss kill history and it will be tough to get invited unless you have atleast AoTC and ~215+ ilvl.
Overall it’s not really that “casual” depending on what that word means to you.
No you don’t have to play the game 40 hours/week to mythic raid. But you also can’t put in just 5-6 hours/week and get by. It requires a little bit of seriousness and dedication.
haha we just moved horde after a decade of being alliance because alliance participation in content above heroic steeps downwards extremely and couldn’t find any mythic raiders to fill out the team
Yeah, my guild has had a hard time with it too. We lost a full week of prog days this tier to our roster, not even having 20 people to fill the group on those days.
I started at the end of BFA, a few months before SL. I used my logs from FF14 to apply to Mythic guilds, but I wasn’t established anywhere so I was basically factionless. Now I get why every potential invite was from an Alliance guild. Filling a roster is so hard that even taking someone completely new to the game is an attractive option.
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Spend time playing the game.
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Hook up a microphone.
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Not be bad.
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Not be bad.
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Not be bad.
I don’t see anything that makes that “not casual”. Again, we already dismissed this “casual = bad” nonsense.