How do you feel about Ion's reasons for removing master loot?

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The loot goes directly into my bag. Good luck forcing me to trade it.

42

It’s easy for a guild to force you to trade…do it or you don’t get to raid.

43

And that’s the reason I don’t run with a$$hats. Again, good luck forcing me to trade it.

44

Sure, that’s why they locked it but it makes their “player agency” argument empty. That’s protection, not choice.

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45

Master Loot should only be for a 100% guild group.It feels really bad to get a bit of gear that is useless to me,that I can not give to a guildie that could use it because of personal loot.

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46

I think he needs to transmog his fit.

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47

It’s a really out of date take when he talks about trials. He’s been in the same guild for 15 years, and he doesn’t do any recruiting. You can tell if you want someone on your raid team now by looking at logs. You don’t need to trial them for a month to see if they are good, you already know before they even join the guild. A trial period might last for a farm night or two just to get a feel for their personality, but I never heard of trials not getting loot for weeks/months in Legion.

Also he says in the video that you can still trade if you want to, which is a lie. If they remove the trade restrictions, even if it’s just between guild members, then the system would be fine.

48

Good riddance.

I don’t like a lot of decisions he makes, but the death in fire of Master Loot is one I wholeheartedly agree with.

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49

I think it removes choice from game. Master loot wasn’t a problem until he made it one.

50

I’m fine with the way the system is currently. You can still offer up your loot to others if you wish (so long as it’s not an item level upgrade). However, item level is not the deciding factor in whether a piece of gear constitutes an upgrade.

The issue is that the development team has done an incredibly poor job balancing corruptions, tertiaries, and stat weights. A 445 item with IS III or TD III shouldn’t be able to outcompete a 475 item with VR II, for example. A 450 object with (in my case as a disc main) with crit/haste shouldn’t outperform a 460 one with vers/mast.

Instead, what I think should happen is that the functionality of RC Loot Council gets baked into the game and the ilvl “upgrade” caveat gets removed (bonus loot should always remain locked to trading, imo). You kill boss, loot gets assigned via personal loot, players have a choice to offer up their loot for trade instead of having it immediately confiscated by guild leadership.

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Like I said above, this doesn’t solve the problem because the raid leader/loot council can still force you to give your loot to someone else.

This just adds an extra step to ML but the system would still be there.

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Indeed, in another thread, I asked what would happen if someone didn’t want to give up an upgrade to them to give someone else a bigger upgrade, and I was told the player would eventually be kicked or benched.

If trading restrictions are removed, then even if you get an upgrade, you can and will be forced to give it up or be kicked from your guild, while being told you’re selfish the whole way.

53

…you hide your loot from your guild?

Aren’t they your friends?

54

This is how it is now, too. PL doesn’t make loot untradeable unless it’s the highest iLvl piece you have… and that restriction quickly goes away.

Idk it’s kinda exhausting reading all the replies from people who don’t understand how PL even works now, because it makes it pretty obvious they didn’t know how ML worked back then either

55

Yes they are my friends and I will gladly give it up if it’s a bigger upgrade for them. I never loot in any pug setting, ever. They can’t cry over what they don’t know about.

56

Don’t need ML.
Didn’t get raid gear? Go run Mythic +.

Gearing up is so easy now-a-days ML doesn’t really matter.
Made more sense when getting gear from raiding was the only way.

57

I’m for personal loot, it’s not perfect but it’s superior to ML. Also what does his character have to do with any of this?

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58

Oh, okay. You were talking about PUGs mostly. That’s cool. Most people I know of that want ML want it to stay very far away from PUGs, because that’s where almost all of the abuse happened that unfortunately resulted in organized raiding guilds being labelled the same.

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59

It sure sounds like this isn’t a guild I’d want to raid with anyway

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A lot of people are saying this, but if this was going to be a widespread issue, we would have seen this happen in BFA. Item level is almost meaningless outside if you can trade an item or not, so you could have a 475 weapon equipped, and another 475 weapon could be a massive upgrade. In your “what if” scenario, players would be forced to give up their upgrade, because it would be tradable, except we haven’t seen any evidence that there is widespread abuse of this. So logically we can’t assume it will magically happen if trade restrictions are removed.

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