How do Jaina lovers defend her?

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

“We were just following orders!”
Maybe they should have continued following orders and they wouldn’t have been killed.

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

“We were just following orders!”
Maybe they should have continued following orders and they wouldn’t have been killed.

If what he said is true, it would be a situation of guilty by association. Some are guilty of their crimes, others, not so much.

[Hnetu-norgannon (Hnetu)]

Named after a garbage beer. Complaining about acts that pale in comparison to the atrocities the horde and specifically Sylvanas has committed (and ignoring justifications). Has no idea about the lore to explain why she’s done what she does or why she’s powerful. Says any attempt to rationalize or explain doesn’t count (“azzpull” lol).

I think someone might just be seeking attention. Or is scared of powerful women.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Oh trust me, alliance players just pretend the alliance doesn’t do anything wrong and often deflect to things the horde did wrong. There’s no winning arguments there.

[Zerde-sargeras (Zerde)]

Oh trust me, alliance players just pretend the alliance doesn’t do anything wrong and often deflect to things the horde did wrong. There’s no winning arguments there.

Because if the Alliance ends up doing horrible things, it is because the Horde forces us into such a horrible position!

[Aeroaxx-stormreaver]

Alliance love their Mary-Sues, this is one hell of a can of worms you opened.

But the sheer hypocritical denial shown here reminds me why I’m always For the Horde.

[Vendreck-sargeras]

I don’t think you know much about Jaina do you? I’ll just leave it at that.

[Ketin-stormrage]

I find they usually point to Garrosh

1. Garrosh never attacked civilians, not once. When his general in stonetalon mountains killed a neutral camp of Night Elf and Tauren druids, Garrosh threw him off a cliff, describing his actions as disgraceful.
2. Theramore was evacuated and had no civilians left in if. All that were killed were members of the alliance armies.

Wrong. The civilians evacuated from Theramore where chased down by his fleet and captured. Then he tortured them in Org. Those that survived that where rescued in the Siege of Org raid.

She needs to die, walking through dalaran killing fleeings non combatant civilians because your feelings are hurt is ridiculous.

This is not true, Jaina teleported them to prison after they refused to leave the city. The only Civilians she killed where because of a bug where some NPC’s that where supposed to flee attacked her causing her to attack back.

When she’s angry she either gets absurd powerups with no explanation (battle for lordaeron says hi) or she lashes out at non combatants. Jaina is actually a coward because she will never step to anybody stronger than her, or comparable.

While I agree she (and many other lore characters) are too OP what she did in Lordaeron was not that impressive. She had a magic ship shoot arcane cannons one time and then Froze the gas the Forsaken used. Outside of that she does her normal stuff. teleport people.

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

But you’re missing the forest for the trees. It was the second time the Sunreavers as a group, had abused their access to Dalaran to murder people. Jaina was not going to let it happen for a third time so she took drastic measures. It doesn’t matter if you think she went overboard or not. People seem to think she spontaneously did it.

[Nillah-uldaman (Nillah)]

Theramore was evacuated and had no civilians left in if. All that were killed were members of the alliance armies.

I’m pretty sure the only reason this happened is because Baine(or Cairne?) betrayed the Horde and got the warning out to Jaina and/or Anduin so they could evacuate Theramore.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Because if the Alliance ends up doing horrible things, it is because the Horde forces us into such a horrible position!

Uh huh…you guys also take NO accountability for any of your actions and say “well, that was just one person” like Arthas. Literally one of the worst villains in the history of Azeroth was created from the alliance and killed more civilians than probably anyone but somehow It’s not their fault.

Or Kel’thuzad or Medivh

I mean the alliance literally gave medivh all their super powers and he literally brought the horde to Azeroth in the first place, but that’s not their fault!

[Aeroaxx-stormreaver]

Why do you bother arguing with fools?

[Ketin-stormrage]

“While, thanks to Rommath and the Horde champions, many Sunreavers were rescued, many others were still imprisoned in Dalaran’s Violet Hold or killed.”

She imprisoned those that refused to leave. The ones killing them where the Silver Covenant High Elf group that where pissed because of Theramor.

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

And not everyone was evacuated. A lot were and many of those that did escape got captured after the fact. Garrosh’s target, of course, was the command structure of the Alliance as a large quantity of commanders were present, but he was certainly not losing sleep over collateral damage.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

And not everyone was evacuated.

False. They were. All the military commanders came as well, which was the plan.

A lot were and many of those that did escape got captured after the fact.

Prove it.

Garrosh’s target, of course, was the command structure of the Alliance as a large quantity of commanders were present, but he was certainly not losing sleep over collateral damage.

Prove it.

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

It doesn’t matter if you think she went overboard or not.

But it does in terms of perspective.

It was the second time the Sunreavers as a group, had abused their access to Dalaran to murder people.

That doesn’t mean that there weren’t innocent Sunreavers affected by the purge. With this Sunreavers text, he is making the claim that Jaina did in fact kill those that were innocent.

People seem to think she spontaneously did it.

I’m not arguing that. I’m pointing out the other perspective of the situation. It’s not a simple matter. The Purging of Dalaran is complicated situation. Politics wise, it’s a nightmare.

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

Siege of Orgrimmar. They have Theramore civilians imprisoned. Trying running it sometime. You should be able to solo it.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Siege of Orgrimmar. They have Theramore civilians imprisoned. Trying running it sometime. You should be able to solo it.

Well, as the alliance loves to do the horde will do the same. Garrosh was already crazy and evil at that point and the horde stood against them. That’s literally what the raid is about. Alliance AND horde fighting Garrosh, in case you didn’t know.

[Valrena-wyrmrest-accord]

The whole Sylvanas debate is perspective for the most part.

From an Alliance perspective, South Shore, Gilneas, Teldrassil, and so on, yea… we’re not exactly huge fans.

But from a Undead perspective, shes securing your peoples power. The entire Undead questing experience 1-30 is removing The Alliance from Lordaerons lands. So to them, that makes her a hero.

Now from a Hordie perspective, a true Hordie, what Sylvanas is doing is against what they think The Horde is all about. Because she’s leading it like she would The Undead.

[Cassima-greymane (Cassima)]

You also only have a limited time to do so, before Ji is killed. And afterwards, the lady who’s there to save him can be killed too.

Not to mention, those two women who are forced to fight each other can also be killed unless you kill the overseer holding their chains without hitting them too.