Night elves can rebuild, and they did get screwed. But the night elves aren’t literally half the player base.
You cannot remove the alliance or horde factions. Without screwing over half the player based in the prospect of “One side won” when players don’t really get a choice in the matter.
Personally I hope Sylvanas gets dropped in an endless pit and suffers the hell waiting for her, because out of everyone alive in the game right now, she deserves it.
Its hard to say whether she would or wouldn’t have accepted a Mak’gora as it never happened. Its literally speculating by people.
Fact is if anyone would’ve challenged her and she would’ve denied it it would’ve caused an uproar by the people. If she cheated in it someway it would’ve caused an uproar if called out, or a legitimate reason to start a rebellion if found out later.
If she accepted and lost well we would’ve had a new warchief. If she won she would’ve remained warchief and no one should complain honestly.
But we don’t know no one challenged her, not Saurfang, not Baine no one.
Rebuilding =/= them getting decked.
They’re blueside, which, if I’m not mistaken, means a hit to them is a hit to their faction as well.
You 100% could, but it would require creativity, which Blizzard seems to be lacking as of MoP.
Entitled words are entitled.
I’m not lying, Theramore was a third party, Varian can get mad all he wants, Jaina and Thrall had an agreement, the sides were not at war with each other, and Theramore was not part of the alliance until Garrosh randomly decided to bomb them.
Being a neutral faction means your not opposed to either side.
Are you saying We should mana bomb booty bay and ratchet? Because they are nuetral, and alliance people can pass through them?
Who is gonna listen to a filthy human?
No, you really can’t.
The outrage it would cause would be ridiculous, no matter how you twist it.
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Yes! They will finally stop attacking me on sight! All bow down to the Bloodsail Buccaneers!
Okay, that got a chuckle out of me.
Sounds like a you problem though! ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
Okay, then imagine for a moment where, say, the Horde loses.
Let’s say Sylvanas dies, and the Alliance isn’t willing to forgive… the Orcs for burning down Tel, so they take Saurfang and Thrall and imprison them.
The rest of the Horde would consist of Lor’themar and Baine (if he didn’t up and roll over for the blue boys). Let’s say all the Horde cities are occupied.
So then we have the remnants of the faction. Where are they? Well, what does any losing faction/nation defer to once they’ve been beaten?
Guerrilla tactics?
Sabotage?
Imagine countless tiny outcrops made by escaped Horde races who then give you quests, “revenge” things. “Get our cities and our honor back” things. Imagine Horde remnants retreating into places the Alliance perhaps forgot about or hasn’t thought of yet - maybe Badlands? Swamp of Sorrows?
You can do things differently, people are just too entrenched in what’s ‘normal’ to try anything different.
I mean, for god’s sake, didn’t I just give the rundown of what was kind of WC3?
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand and completely incorrect. Sounds like you are diverting from the absolute fact that the alliance navy under control of Stormwind officers and a leader of the Alliance started the war with the horde last xpac.
This is the important part that I think refutes the point that Sylvanas is working WITH Azshara and N’zoth.
Sylvanas isn’t serving the Void.
Sylvanas is serving Death.
And the 3 Sisters campaign shows that the Void considers Death to be its and everyone else’s True Enemy.
Sylvanas in fact is disgusted by Alleria polluting herself with the Void.
So, I think we are more likely looking at a scenario where Sylvanas is playing a game of higher dimension chess, and part of it is getting rid of Azshara and N’zoth…
…enroute to killing everyone and everything and having everyone be serving Death with her as Queen of the Damned down the line.
Sylvanas is probably going to turn into a bit of an anti-hero with regards to the Void. But firmly a villain when it comes to Death.
Moral grey… whee!
I will always be on Sylvanas side.
Shes my girl!!
We’re “supposed” to hate the Alliance? Hate isn’t something we’re “supposed” to do, it’s something someone earns after committing acts that elicit the feelings of hate. Sylvanas has done way more earn my hate than the Alliance…
Oh, really?
Orc internment camps?
Hunting down Forsaken when they tried to peacefully join the Alliance?
Blood Elf racism during one of the old wars?
Blood Elf exile?
Militarizing Durotar when the Orcs just so happen to move in there?
Dalaran purge?
Stormheim?
Camp T?
The Barrens?
Like, holy; do you not really get the Horde or something?
If killing metric tons of Alliance earns you more hate than killing/mistreating metric tons of Horde, play Alliance.
You only think this because alliance is only depicted as precious cinnamon buns who can do no wrong or else their base shrieks of bias.
No, I’m just pretty sure, Sylvanas pre-empting the alliance, by BURNING DOWN AN ALLIANCE CAPITAL, is what instigated the war, but you go ahead and do you.
The Alliance sabotaging Silithus operations actually started this, but okay.
If you’re not lying, you’re so far removed from reality, it’s not even funny.
And Thrall wasn’t Warchief anymore, and hadn’t been for a while. Theramore was participating in a war with a Horde that was, at that point, led by Warchief Garrosh.
It’s comical that you assume Garrosh just bombed a neutral party for no reason. Why would he do that?
His clearly lays out his reasoning in “Tides of War,” Theramore is participating in the war against the Horde, and serves as a staging ground for the Alliance attacks on the Horde’s southern front. He cannot continue north until Northwatch and Theramore are taken out.
Q:
The Alliance army who invaded the Barrens wore the tabard of Theramore. Were they under Jaina Proudmoore’s command? And their invasion happened way before the time of the incoming destruction of Theramore incident, so what’s the reason behind their attack on Orgrimmar’s territory? It seems the Alliance and the Horde were already in total war in Cataclysm.A:
Because Garrosh wants to defeat the night elves and conquer the whole of Kalimdor under the banner of the Horde. So the humans of Theramore sent their army and tried to establish a military line between the night elf territory and Theramore. But it seems the result is not what they expected.
–Blizzard Entertainment (Mists of Pandaria Q&A)
(www(dot)scrollsoflore(dot)com/forums/showthread.php?t=21125)
Hawthorne dead… my own son murdered… the situation in the Barrens is out of control, .
I’m going to take charge of Fort Triumph and try to lock things down. To do that, I’m going to need reinforcements. Reinforcements that were promised from Theramore weeks ago!
–General Twinbraid (Quest: Reinforcements From Theramore)
What now, soldier?
Reinforcements? For the Barrens? We’ve been bleeding supplies and men there for months!
Does someone need to remind Twinbraid of the attack on Northwatch? Our losses at Honor’s Stand? What happened to the men I sent to Triumph Hold? We’ve nothing to spare!
–Captain Garran Vimes (Quest: Reinforcements From Theramore)
So here we have an admission that:
A.) Theramore was funneling troops and resources to the Alliance war effort in the Barrens
B.) Northwatch Hold, which was under the jurisdiction of Theramore at the time, was participating in the war effort
C.) Theramore had troops at Honor’s Stand, which was one of the first hostile acts in the war
Do you seriously not understand the difference between allowing individuals from factions to travel through a place, and allowing a military to travel through?
I mean, this is beyond the fact that Theramore was an active participant, of course.
Historically, a nation providing military access to a party you’re at war with has constituted a case for war.
tl;dr: You’re wrong in every way conceivable. That’s been proven. Stop lying.
It’s human nature to make obviously terrible decisions.