Who says its a Carbon Copy though? Baal is right. Solar imagery and Sun reverence is all over various Horde cultural practices. The Tauren, BEs, Trolls, and even Orcs and Vulpera could be tied into it fairly easily. There is nothing saying that it as a being needs to operate in the same way Elune does; just that it is a stellar symbol for that sort of “worship” (even if not outright religious worship). There is also no saying what such an entity would be like in tone, function, or temperament.
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For sake of argument, what would be different between Elune and An’she then? Aside from comsic make up?
A different temperament? Maybe An’she is actually around? Something like that?
I can understand the reasoning behind a Sun Elune, but I also understand why someone would desire to not have it just be well…Sun Elune.
This might seem like a cop-out answer due to my own ignorance of the subject, and I’m not a writer so that’s twice the helping of worthlessness on my part, but:
I wouldn’t try to design the concept of An’she around being the temperamental opposite of Elune at all. I’d try to look into what Native American, Mayan, and Persian (Blood elves, right?) mythology and history had to say on the subject, and maybe try to conglomerate common themes from them. If part of those aspects share a relation to Elune, then so be it. Because I think going into it with the objective of making it an anti-Elune just dooms it to be defined by the night elf religion anyway.
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Different methods of communication. Different method of interacting with those that show it reverence. Different proficiencies in power and domain. A different temperament, and even perhaps children of their own that embody such a being. Hell, make the thing lively, passionate, sometimes destructively so. The Sun is life, it can also kill you. Make it a bit rough around the edges.
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I like how Droite and I gave completely opposite responses, lol
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That’s the point: ELune is the deity that stands not only for the moon, but for stars, for stellar objects, so also suns, presumably the power where Naaru come from.
My only problem with this is, exactly what Droite describes would be an anti-elune. It would be exactly the same as Elune, only with different names.
Why would you need other names at all, if it does exactly the same thing.
THank you, thats my entire point, we need another being, not an elune 2.0 with sun as symbol, even ELUNE granted sunpowers, and most likely created beings of lights anyway…
An’She/Belore…it must be a different kind of being, it must be different.
Well, sort of. I was more of the mind that any celestial being that gets even loosely associated with the Horde needs to share our temperament a bit. The Horde is rough, temperamental, passionate (destructively so), and despite everything … still somehow cling to life. Even those of us that are dead. So … go from there. Rather than building such a being as an opposite of Elune, just build one that has the ability to reflect those that revere it. If there is some overlap? So what?
It would also be totally worthless, because you’re pulling something out of the universe’s butt while simultaneously further implying that the tauren (and whatever sun worship the blood elves had) is a lie, diminishing their importance because Elune has her fingers in too many damn pies. At least An’she has a theoretical presence in the story. Anything you try to create would not, simply because you had to create it in the first place.
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Well going off:
and also taking into consideration Elune in-game is a real-world derivative of New Age Goddess Worship, and borrows particularly from Lunar goddesses in European myths (different faces, related to stars, psychopomp, etc all very Hekate adjacent).
Have An’she be based on Solar Deities found in myths of African and Amerindigenous peoples, with only SLIGHT borrowing from Euro-Pagan stuff.
Make him related to Wild Gods, but only the extreme ends (e.g. Rukhmar and Anzu from Draenor) due to the Sun’s Light being everywhere but also casting Shadows all day.
Have An’she be derived from:
- Ogun and Shango, have him be a warrior deity who was the one that blessed Orcs with bloodlust in moments of need
- Obatala, have him be a creator deity who was the one responsible for the existence of the elements themselves in reality
- Illapa (who was syncretized in the Andes with Shango side note), have him be a deity that takes away powers should the person dishonor themselves (explaining why Paladins need faith and self-belief, why Thrall lost his shaman powers)
- Inti, have him be a deity that blesses his people with long life and purifies corruptions (ergo why Rezan could bless Rastakhan with long life, ergo why Blood Elves have lost their fel corruption shown in their eyes)
- etc
Naaru are powered by the sun and stars? You’re literally pulling that out your behind
Fine, propose a motif, a specific motif like “the sun” that you think would make narrative sense and serve as a parallel.
God you’re insufferable
He literally does not understand the idea of validating in-game religions of the meta-representations of Amerindigenous and African peoples lmao
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Belore has even been known since WC3, but I think it wouldn’t go down well if once again an elven race more or less knew the “real name”, especially something that plays an absolute subordinate role.
However, I have nothing against the name, my point is, it must be something other than an Elune 2.0. Build it as a counterpoint, to Elune, would in my eyes even destroy a lot, it would also partly destroy the Elune mythos with it, for what? That the Horde may have their Celestial-Beings? it must be able to stand on its own feet and not build on Elune. otherwise it will be again only a carboncopy.
And you don’t? You constantly want some divine power fantasy of a carbon copy character and don’t really get involved in any different possiblity.
And if one argues against you, always immediately comes the racism card, especially if it could concern cultural things that have overlaps with RL.
Well, one random idea would be something like…
Currently we have Ion talking about the devs listening to the feedback. We have rather not so popular BfA with the “wait and see” approach. At the same time, we have the most popular expansion, Shadowlands, where they apparently pay more attention to the feedback. [at least initially it is said to have the highest subscription number of this decade]
Maybe, just maybe, it is possible to make an argument, that listening to the feedback leads to more community engagement, user retention. And that it could be not just about the game mechanics.
However, delivering the message is hard and IMO possible through finding some influencers who could pass the feedback / questions further.
Which raises more questions about community, forming feedback, etc.
Overall, not too likely, but not quite 0% probability. Purely because there might be a correlation of the financial results and interaction with the community.
gl hf
KEK, Blizzard actually listening to player feedback about the lore. 
Good one.
Zair is the worst type of hypocrite, if it detracts from the NE power fantasy he’ll oppose it under the BS excuse that he’s neutral which he’s been called out on several times now.
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No in this case An’she would be the real name.
Bruh every Lunar Diety has a Solar parallel in every single mythology in the world, you just don’t want the precious Elune to have an equal
All the WoW influencers with access to Blizzard (Nobbel, T&E, Bellular) main Alliance.
We literally don’t even have Horde-Main Lore people with access to Blizzard. In fact the only Horde-Main Lore Content Creator that I am personally aware of is Pyromancer.
Anywho my above ideas of what An’she would look like thematically in-game slaps and gives WoW a non-Euro-centric narrative angle for the Horde Supreme Deity.
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i think so, too
Neutrality is foreign to you, I know, but neutrality is exactly what I am. I’ve also argued against NE; I always say when it gets too wild that you should stop because it doesn’t end well anyway, and I don’t want to get involved in these private little wars, that’s neutrality.
You know that Elune comes from Selune, which in turn was borrowed from Hinduism and still somewhat connected with European myths? Selune in DND is the goddess of the Darkelves and a creator deity of balance.
In Hinduism, the deity also stands for creation, balance between the heavenly bodies, but is embodied with the symbol of the moon and the stars.
Cool story bro, still a Lunar deity.
If you even try to argue Elune is not a Lunar deity, you are really showing your cards.
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Aren’t people who accepted the undead relatives currently in Oribos? Old Emma and someone else.
I do not think Nobbel and TaliEvi were all that happy about how BfA went anyway. So, maybe that’s something. Pyro, I don’t know much about him. Acco?
Besides, a good story is a good story, so why would they oppose something like that?
Preach said he likes lore too, btw. He mains horde.
Overall - might be good to be aware of options.
gl hf
So on this note, pardon my ignorance, but I have always wondered what Blood Elf culture is meant to be based on—the most I’ve been able to find is that their architecture is (supposedly) based on French Art Nouveau.
But I recall you bringing up their hookahs and I think somewhere in the conversation “Persian” was name-dropped? Would you be able to expand on this, please?
And what I want is a story whose only reason for existence isn´t Equality, that’s not a good story. It never was, because you always felt it when that was the case.
i said: ELune is a goddess of balance, moon, stars, only symbols of her real “goal”, balance.
…you do know the Druid Balance specialization is about “balancing the power of Arcane and Nature,” right?
It’s literally in the spec description.
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