Make An'she/Belore A Thing

[Karestae-moon-guard]

I don’t care about druids. That’s literally irrelevant to what we’re talking about

[Shernish-nazjatar]

Druids belonged to the night elves until they were given to the Horde for some reason. Just as they are now offering to do with Elune.
And you never answered, how will you give An’she to the Alliance?

[Karestae-moon-guard]

According to the Night Elves she is. And there’s nothing stopping blizzard from going Yeah, the night elves were simply wrong like they did with An’she and the Tauren beliefs

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

Each Titan is also different in power

We literally have no evidence of this.

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

like in the crusade, who has the most awesome imaginary friend.

So you’re a New Atheist I take it?

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

If Radagast shared the same theme, he would, but he did not. And Elune is more than a moon goddess, she has tremendous powers of light & shadow, of nature, of the arcane, of water, she is only embodied with the moon, but is not the moon.

Are you seriously going to now suggest Elune is a Sun God as well?

Are you seriously choosing to go down the argument “Elune is also the Sun”???

How is a SOLAR GOD based on all the tie ins I listed, with the art I listed, AT ALL SHARING THE THEME OF ELUNE?

You’re insane.

[Zahirwrite-farstriders]

@Karestae-moon-guard

According to the Night Elves she is. And there’s nothing stopping blizzard from going Yeah, the night elves were simply wrong like they did with An’she and the Tauren beliefs

they never actually said that An’She is wrong…it’s just that mu’sha is not the eye of the earth mother, but An’She was never said to be wrong.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

• Blood Elf Belore: has never been explained, is tied to the Sunwell, is gestured at in various voice over lines, the Blood Elf Priests in the Class Order Hall are “Sun Priests” etc. Just need Liadrin and Rommath getting “visions” from the Sunwell, reveal A’lar is a blessing from Belore
• Tauren An’she: has literally divinely intervened in both the Highmountain Mythos in the fields of An’she, is tied to Tauren Shamanism (the one who taught them to Spirit Walk), is considered the brother of Elune/Musha, is the source of Tauren Paladin Sun-based Light.
• Trolls: Sun motifs all over Dazaralor and Ataldazar, Rezan’s Loa of a Tale tablet states he has “the power of the sun”, the “hand of valor” that nobody knows what it is that pulled Vol’jin out of the Maw and empowered him hasn’t been explained yet.
• Orcs: While the Shadowmoon Clan is also probably going to be revealed to be Elune, they could tie Orcish Shamanism with regards to the elements to such a being.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Have An’she be derived from:

• Ogun and Shango, have him be a warrior deity who was the one that blessed Orcs with bloodlust in moments of need
• Obatala, have him be a creator deity who was the one responsible for the existence of the elements themselves in reality
• Illapa (who was syncretized in the Andes with Shango side note), have him be a deity that takes away powers should the person dishonor themselves (explaining why Paladins need faith and self-belief, why Thrall lost his shaman powers)
• Inti, have him be a deity that blesses his people with long life and purifies corruptions (ergo why Rezan could bless Rastakhan with long life, ergo why Blood Elves have lost their fel corruption shown in their eyes)

@Baalsamael-turalyon

As of right now, based on what we have what we have:

• An’she taught the Tauren to Spirit Walk and commune with the ancestors, and gives the Sunwalkers power. Attribute more to him. There is the “Path of Anshe” that is the road that connects Valsharah with Highmountain, and there is the “Field of An’she” that connects Trueshot Lodge with the rest of the zone. Much can be done here.
• Rezan has the “power of the sun”. We know his mother Xibalba was a terrible wild god of rot and death, but we have no knowledge of his father. Have An’she be the father of Rezan, a sort of anti-Cenarius. This would give Trollish ability to regenerate and Rastakhan’s long life the origin of An’she.

What they could do:

• Make Phoenixes creations of An’she. The Blood Elf phoenixes haven’t been really explained; we did not see any when we went to the Firelands, but the Draenor Rukhmar mount is called a phoenix and the Castle Nathria Kael’thas uses the Rukhmar Phoenix model. Rukhmar was blessed with “primordial light”; this is never explained.
• Similarly, attribute Rukhmar and Anzu to An’she; thus the Apexis and Arrakoa would be one of his people.
• The evolution of Ogre to Orc is likewise not given a reason; why did Ogres turn into smaller, more intelligent beings? Make An’she the reason Ogres evolved into Orcs.
• Orcish bloodlust is also not explained; it is just a thing that is. Along the lines of the above, reveal Orcish bloodlust was a double edged blessing of An’she.
• Troll origins are still not explained. We know they look like Mueh’zala, but we don’t know if that’s Mueh’zala’s true form. Reveal that Trolls were created by An’she, and likewise Mueh’zala was originally created by An’she
• There’s a recurring use of a “Blood Moon” among the Trolls. It is used by Hakkar, and it is used by Bwonsamdi. In real life, Blood Moons are Lunar Eclipses, an effect of the Sun. Reveal that Mueh’zala and thus Bwonsamdi’s powers, and the Troll Red Moon stuff, finds its root in An’she darker side

How does ANY OF THIS “take” from Elune???

[Shernish-nazjatar]

NO sun god! There is only the wrong religion of the tauren! Yes, that will be their “racial identity”! Like the night elves “fallen empire”, insane scream! Yes!

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

they never actually said that An’She is wrong…it’s just that mu’sha is not the eye of the earth mother, but An’She was never said to be wrong.

So if Musha is Elune, and Musha and Anshe are equal, where does that put Anshe if it isn’t “wrong”?

[Zahirwrite-farstriders]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Are you seriously choosing to go down the argument “Elune is also the Sun”???

Elune is (most likely)the creator of the naaru, seems very…very lightly, elune is on another planet even a moon goddes, she´s simple a goddes, only the night elves with their night activity thought about a MOON GODDESS

[Shernish-nazjatar]

You are borrowing the status “God”!

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

The Titans are everything…but not Equal. Each Titan is also different in power and the only thing they share is their origin.

Ok then since you only problem is them being equal which mean Elune not being unique, then let just make An’she being Elune boss and stronger than her. She would still be unique as she wouldn’t have equal, she would only have a supperior.

But we all know that you wouldn’t like that because in reality you just don’t want the horde to have something as strong as the alliance or stronger. It would hurt your superiority complex.

Well guess what? The horde also doesn’t like to be weaker which is why we ask to be equal. Not superior but just equal.

@Shernish-nazjatar

And why does the Horde need a god … STOP! And how will you give An’she to Alliance?

…What is happening in that one mind?

[Shernish-nazjatar]

How will you give An’She to the Alliance, since Elune is believed in the Horde, albeit wrongly?

[Shernish-nazjatar]

How many hours do you have? Is it day or night?

[Zahirwrite-farstriders]

@Lenastus-zuljin

But we all know that you wouldn’t like that because in reality you just don’t want the horde to have something as strong as the alliance or stronger. It would hurt your superiority complex.

You are the only one talking about the alliance here, i talk about the night elves there, not the alliance. You bring allways the topic “Alliance” here, not me^^

[Shernish-nazjatar]

Oh, another expert! Clap-clap-clap!

[Sarm-malganis (Sarm)]

Sorry, I was doing other things for a bit and then this thread erupted. What neutral things are you asking me to think about?

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

Elune isn’t believed in the horde. Mu’sha was but end up being wrong.

If you want a equivalent you can just have the gnome to believe in a sun by a random name but let make it useless since they are wrong as the sun god really is An’she and only care about the tauren.

[Shernish-nazjatar]

About questions of Elune, An’She, Horde and who is right in this junkyard!

[Shernish-nazjatar]

You believe in Elune! Even if it is wrong! Who in the Alliance would be wrong to believe in An’she?

No innovators! Find An’She in the old lore of the Alliance!

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

Elune is the creator of the naaru, seems very…very lightly, elune is on another planet even a moon goddes, she´s simple a goddes, only the night elves with their night activity thought about a MOON GODDESS

Don’t change the topic, you said:

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

If Radagast shared the same theme, he would, but he did not. And Elune is more than a moon goddess, she has tremendous powers of light & shadow, of nature, of the arcane, of water, she is only embodied with the moon, but is not the moon.

You are here stating that Radagast is okay as Gandalf’s equal because they don’t share the same theme.

Anshe is a SOLAR DEITY, with Blacksmith + Warrior + Light + Firey Destruction motifs.

Are you:

1. Denying Elune is a Moon Goddess, and is thus NOT a Sun God
2. Denying Elune’s domain is NOT “Blacksmith” and “Fire”?
3. Denying Elune is based visually, aesthetically, and narratively on zero African and Amerindigenous deities?

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

You are the only one talking about the alliance here, i talk about the night elves there, not the alliance. You bring allways the topic “Alliance” here, not me^^

Night Elf Superiority Complex And Entitlement, which you have, is the backbone of Alliance Superiority Complex And Entitlement, which you’re by extension encouraging.