How can we redeem/rebuild the Horde?

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Luminarium-bleeding-hollow

For sake of argument, what would be different between Elune and An’she then? Aside from comsic make up?

Well going off:

@Baalsamael-turalyon

• Blood Elf Belore: has never been explained, is tied to the Sunwell, is gestured at in various voice over lines, the Blood Elf Priests in the Class Order Hall are “Sun Priests” etc. Just need Liadrin and Rommath getting “visions” from the Sunwell, reveal A’lar is a blessing from Belore
• Tauren An’she: has literally divinely intervened in both the Highmountain Mythos in the fields of An’she, is tied to Tauren Shamanism (the one who taught them to Spirit Walk), is considered the brother of Elune/Musha, is the source of Tauren Paladin Sun-based Light.
• Trolls: Sun motifs all over Dazaralor and Ataldazar, Rezan’s Loa of a Tale tablet states he has “the power of the sun”, the “hand of valor” that nobody knows what it is that pulled Vol’jin out of the Maw and empowered him hasn’t been explained yet.
• Orcs: While the Shadowmoon Clan is also probably going to be revealed to be Elune, they could tie Orcish Shamanism with regards to the elements to such a being.

and also taking into consideration Elune in-game is a real-world derivative of New Age Goddess Worship, and borrows particularly from Lunar goddesses in European myths (different faces, related to stars, psychopomp, etc all very Hekate adjacent).

Have An’she be based on Solar Deities found in myths of African and Amerindigenous peoples, with only SLIGHT borrowing from Euro-Pagan stuff.

Make him related to Wild Gods, but only the extreme ends (e.g. Rukhmar and Anzu from Draenor) due to the Sun’s Light being everywhere but also casting Shadows all day.

Have An’she be derived from:

• Ogun and Shango, have him be a warrior deity who was the one that blessed Orcs with bloodlust in moments of need
• Obatala, have him be a creator deity who was the one responsible for the existence of the elements themselves in reality
• Illapa (who was syncretized in the Andes with Shango side note), have him be a deity that takes away powers should the person dishonor themselves (explaining why Paladins need faith and self-belief, why Thrall lost his shaman powers)
• Inti, have him be a deity that blesses his people with long life and purifies corruptions (ergo why Rezan could bless Rastakhan with long life, ergo why Blood Elves have lost their fel corruption shown in their eyes)
• etc

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

That’s the point: ELune is the deity that stands not only for the moon, but for stars, for stellar objects, so also suns, presumably the power where Naaru come from.

Naaru are powered by the sun and stars? You’re literally pulling that out your behind

Fine, propose a motif, a specific motif like “the sun” that you think would make narrative sense and serve as a parallel.

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

Why would you need other names at all, if it does exactly the same thing.

God you’re insufferable

@Sarm-malganis

It would also be totally worthless, because you’re pulling something out of the universe’s butt while simultaneously further implying that the tauren (and whatever sun worship the blood elves had) is a lie, diminishing their importance because Elune has her fingers in too many damn pies. At least An’she has a theoretical presence in the story. Anything you try to create would not, simply because you had to create it in the first place.

He literally does not understand the idea of validating in-game religions of the meta-representations of Amerindigenous and African peoples lmao