Lol even when I agree with you somehow its a bad take according to you.
So you do plan to invalidate all the Alliance grievances by having the Horde characters interact with Alliance characters like nothing bad happened.
And you ask why Alliance players are concerned about “Horde rebuilding” when it should be called Horde absolution.
So, If you KNOW I wasn´t the one at fault, why do you INSIST in making ME pay the price, hmmm?
And no, don´t come here to repeat the “I don´t want to hurt Horde player´s” BS solutions when you guys are using something that didn´t hurt you directly as players to justify your bloodthirsty attitude.
Sure dude, tell that to the gnome, the dwarf and the DK (the last one basically demanded ALL the maps indeed as “apology”). You know what is the funniest of all? That in the case Blizz decided to listen to them, a LOT of the resources of the game would be needed to focus on the Horde story -after all what do you think involves bigger resources, the story of building back in the same place they lived or the story of people travelling, finding a place, fighting to survive there, etc.?-… and I bet those posters would be the first ones to come here with the “HURDE BIAS!!!” QQ.
Which would be ultimate irony, but alas… I don´t think they even see that.
I was enjoying it up to TBC and then WotLK happened. Guess how many years I´ve had to grit my teeth and bear it. And I´m still alive and well, so?
Irrelevant, cause you could support the notion now. But I´m pretty doubtful you do.
Exactly, which actually made it worse. I´m aware I CAN´T win against the Alliance cause there is a whole playerbase and irl people behind the idea of it, and it would be both idiotic AND unfair of me to pretend to get a dominant position over the Alliance playerbase; however Arthas was merely an imaginary foe, and the devs didn´t even care over validating our wishes of revenge. We weren´t even important enough to consider, that´s overall worse.
Sure dear, I was just forced to kill a sunreaver (worse an innocent one as per the lack of verbal reprisal from Jaina) to defend Jaina… who attacked Dazaralor a patch before the event happened.
Kindly don´t even try to compare, cause ehile you people have had to “Work with the Horde” you STILL haven´t reached the low levels of defending the very characters that were literally hurting you 5 minutes before.
No, don´t backpedal. Answer the question. Cause going out of your way to avoid it is NOT engaging with the issue portrayed there.
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Because if something isn’t done regarding the fourth war, I will never be able to enjoy this game’s story or lore again. Simple as that.
I’m not asking to bulldoze the Horde or kill all of it’s characters, or any characters I might add. But after bfa the very idea of working with the Horde after everything that happened isn’t just a turn off, it’s a complete dealbreaker. It would be like me demanding that belfs and Forsaken started working with the Scourge because of “reasons”. It’s just not fun, or immersive, or makes any sense at all.
You’re talking to me, not them. And I never made any of those demands or claims.
Why are you still here then? I will quit if there isn’t a satisfying resolution at the end of shadowlands, or at least the beginnings of one. Why stick around for eleven years in a game where you hate the story?
I agree that the belfs and Forsaken deserved a bigger part in Arthas downfall, instead of what they got.
I had to help Saurfang, who’s actions against the Alliance make whatever Jaina did against the Horde look like nothing. So yea, don’t try to compare.
Yes, i’d say I’d rather have what you got regarding the Forsaken. Because then I would simply feel annoyed, rather than an inability to enjoy the game due to past unsettled grieviences.
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I know this question wasn’t directed at me but I guess I wanted to answer because it applies to me too. I still liked, and still want to like, the non-faction bits of the story. If Sylvanas or alliance/horde characters weren’t a part of the plot, I don’t feel like I’d have any major story gripes with the expansion. But as far as faction stuff goes, my immersion was totally shot and I don’t see that coming back for me.
It also helps having a strong guild attachment, although that’s a bit of a double-edged sword due to the faction barrier cutting the playerbase in half.
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This is fair.
But this worries me Morghel. It sounds like you and those Horde players you mention are thinking of each other as actual enemies and not in an in-game PVP way. It sounds like both you and they have become emotionally invested in the game the wrong way. You should probably just ignore them regardless if they seriously feel this way or are just RPing or trolling. Anyone whose happiness playing the game it dependent upon making other players unhappy needs to quit.
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Blizzard marketing had both sides at each others throat though in a fun rivalry way.
Like two opposing soccer teams.
if that was their intent, like all their intentions in BFA, they failed miserably and still walked away with all our money doing it.
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No, I wouldn’t go that far. It’s more along the lines that we are both invested in the story, but their vision is anathema to what I want. It leads to friction, sure, but not more than that. I don’t lose sleep over disagreements about where the story should go. But god damn have I seen stupid takes on this forum and beyond. Especially the whole “Sylvanas is actually the protag” nonsense.
I’ll admit that I enjoy butting heads. But it’s not like I think their suggestions are realistic or anything except delusional junk. Only for a small subset of players and posters however. The vast majority are alright.
Alteract valley was fun rivalry though rage inducing sometimes. Especially in Vanilla, my most memorable moments were when those NPCs were summoned and the tide turned.
Teldrassil and Lordaeron failed to capture that indeed.
You can make whatever assumptions you want, my hypothetical (while still being worked on) provides minimal interaction between Horde and Alliance outside a common enemy. I even posited that Alliance would be “keeping an eye on The Horde” during certain parts of the story beat.
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Your hypothetical absolves the Horde and makes allows them to interact with all Alliance related content like they didn’t try to wipe them out in the previous war when a lot of these characters left the neutral organization to fight alongside the rest of the Alliance.
Are the NE Cenarion Druids supposed to treat the player and the rest of the Horde characters as noble friends that weren’t trying to kill them earlier?
All I ask for somehow to explain why these characters and organizations should get along like nothing is wrong with half the members of their organization?
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Such as?
You also seem to be coming at this from a mindset of every Horde member is guilty by association.
Was every German a member of the National Socialist party during WW2?
Did every Horde druid participate in the BoT?
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Horde player coming into a zone to pick up quests from an NE druid while both Horde and Alliance NPCs standing around together like they are the bestest friends.
For example.
My uneducated guess is that stuff like early battlegrounds without emotional investment make it super easy to walk away from, because it’s simpler to set aside those moments in the context of PVP that doesn’t reflect the story.
Stuff like BFA won’t let you forget, even when you want to. So the bad feelings linger. Even if they end up getting resolved, you’re still going to run into reminders if you level an alt. It’s actually somewhat discouraged me from leveling up other classes like I tend to do during content droughts. I had a full roster of capped stuff during Legion but in BFA it was just…meh.
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Reminder this thread below exists for Alliance players who want to be productive
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A neutral zone, I surmise.
One that represents a neutral organization, surmise.
You mean members of that neutral organization that includes races from both factions but don’t represent that faction?
Hamuul Runetotem really likes hanging out with Malfurion.
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Pretty much, yea. And those that weren’t, or didn’t support the regime, were parts of resistance groups. You can’t really stand at the sidelines with issues like this, because by doing that you help those in power.
So practically speaking you don’t want the Alliance races and neutral leaning organizations to have zero content that addresses why in the world they should be alright working with the Horde who previously was trying to wipe them out.
And yes the Horde is guilty by association because the Horde is an organization and not a race or religion.
They can easily explain that so and so Tauren or Orc was never related to the Horde and had no relation whatsoever with the Horde faction.
Maybe even say these characters now in the neutral faction deserted the Horde due to their disgust with the organization.
Tell that to the Germans that fled to Switzerland.
But I digress.
Neutral factions in game outside of the very few that are relevant to the story beat Blizzard is trying to push at that time generally don’t pick sides. I mean, look at the Kirin’Tor.
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