Then you’re guilty of perpetuating untruths.
Once again you demonstrate why blizzard is likely ignoring the subject at this point.
Keep in mind this was never an issue in original vanilla or private servers.
Also keep in mind it wasn’t changed till 2.4 when the way the BG was played changes.
TL;DR - Alliance are bad, and should feel bad about how they changed the AV meta. This is 100% our fault.
Ziryus:your argument that the map is a non issue.
Gantrithor:Never once said in any of my posts that the map wasn’t an issue. Only ever stated it wasn’t the issue.
Except it is, alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that alliance just suck at pvp. That leaves the map as the issue.
alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that alliance just suck at pvp.
You think they’d do just fine with a third of their team AFK, botting or leeching?
Except it is, alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that alliance just suck at pvp. That leaves the map as the issue.
Alliance with half a clue about pvp are actively avoiding AV
Ziryus:alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that alliance just suck at pvp.
You think they’d do just fine with a third of their team AFK, botting or leeching?
Right those are problems caused by the map.
If it was a systemic issue to alliance it would be happening in the other BG’s as well.
those are problems caused by the map.
[Citation Needed]
Ziryus:those are problems caused by the map.
[Citation Neede d]
You just explained it yourself
These are not general alliance issues they are specific to AV hence the issue is AV not alliance.
You just explained it yourself
Try again.
If it was a systemic issue to alliance it would be happening in the other BG’s as well.
The queues for the battlegrounds would seem to indicate that most of the alliance arent doing AV.
Ziryus:If it was a systemic issue to alliance it would be happening in the other BG’s as well.
The queues for the battlegrounds would seem to indicate that most of the alliance arent do ing AV.
Of course most alliance who are interested in good games are avoiding a broken map.
Shocking.
Of course most alliance who are interested in HPH are going to BGs where they can pre-made and PUG stomp.
This works as well.
Not really as alliance pugs do just fine in the other 2 BG’s vs horde pugs.
So once again it ends up being an AV specific issue.
Not really as alliance pugs do just fine
[Citation Needed]
AV specific issue.
Really? The Alliance has issues in the one BG that they can no longer pre-made in.
Shocking.
Of course most alliance who are interested in good games are avoiding a broken map.
Shocking.
You cant have it both ways.
Ziryus:Of course most alliance who are interested in good games are avoiding a broken map.
Shocking.
You cant hav e it both ways.
Sure we can the other BG’s don’t have the same issue as AV.
You cant say that AB/WSG are proof the alliance can hang with the horde in AV while simultaneously admitting those same alliance dont do AV.
You cant say that AB/WSG are proof the alliance can hang with the horde in AV while simulta neously admitting those same alliance dont do AV.
Except that clearly shows the map is the issue if those same alliance are avoiding AV.
Go ahead and poll 100,000 Alliance on which came first. AFKing or the map problems. 99,999 of them will say the map is the cause, with Vartonis being the lone laughing stock.