Horde vs. Ally Start point in AV

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The argument that alliance have to premade to be able to beat horde pugs doesn’t really help your argument that the map is a non issue.

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You use that word “fact” a lot. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

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Theyre winning AVs now without premading…

:roll_eyes: :point_down:

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Also:

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Then you’re guilty of perpetuating untruths.

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Once again you demonstrate why blizzard is likely ignoring the subject at this point.

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Keep in mind this was never an issue in original vanilla or private servers.

Also keep in mind it wasn’t changed till 2.4 when the way the BG was played changes.

TL;DR - Alliance are bad, and should feel bad about how they changed the AV meta. This is 100% our fault.

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Except it is, alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that alliance just suck at pvp. That leaves the map as the issue.

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You think they’d do just fine with a third of their team AFK, botting or leeching?

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Right those are problems caused by the map.

If it was a systemic issue to alliance it would be happening in the other BG’s as well.

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[Citation Needed]

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You just explained it yourself :slight_smile:

These are not general alliance issues they are specific to AV hence the issue is AV not alliance.

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Try again.

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The queues for the battlegrounds would seem to indicate that most of the alliance arent doing AV.

Of course most alliance who are interested in good games are avoiding a broken map.

Shocking.

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This works as well.

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Not really as alliance pugs do just fine in the other 2 BG’s vs horde pugs.

So once again it ends up being an AV specific issue.