Except for the fact that alliance do just fine in the other two BG’s so we know it’s not that horde are just better.
Well maybe it’s about time to watch the video.
We’re talkin strictly AV here in case you forgot.
But you’re not you’re talking horde vs alliance and claiming horde are somehow just better at AV, which we can clearly see is not the case or it would be reflected in the other BG’s.
Leaving AV as the issue not alliance.
1 Like
Then you are playing the wrong game
The mechanics are the way they are because that is what players demanded with classic - no changes. Hence the mechanics are fine.
The issue have is with the Horde Strategy that Alliance players are choosing not to try to counter and you’re demanding tha Blizz address the lack of initiative on the Alliance side to favour your faction.
Blizz cannot fix defeatism and nor should it.
1 Like
Yes, but the fact that the other two BGs are not similarly lopsided means it is something specific to AV, rather than Alliance PvP, that is causing the discrepancy. And we have one such cause that is definitively supported by empirical data.
Which is not supported by data from classic which is the exact representation which we have from 15 years ago.
Alliance was doing just fine with Av in vanilla, but now loses. the maps are the same and yet Alliance continues to let themselves lose. That Data says its not the map that it the issue
2 Likes
Because players from 2020 who are easily able to socialize and exploit map differences = keyboard turners from 2005? Pull the other one.
Horde were not playing scorched earth in vanilla, that didn’t start happening until BC.
And guess what? When it did blizzard addressed the map.
This version of AV has been played not just in vanilla, but on Private Servers since 2005 until Classic. Try again.
Av is just not that complicated its not particle phyiscs that takes years to figure our, people were playing the same methods as they were 15 years ago. Alliance players are just not motivated enough to put the effort in for a win.
Again the ‘data’ you refer to is the same ‘data’ from 15 years ago and it does not support your conclusions
You mean private servers like Nostalrius that used different versions of the map, unlike Classic? You try again.
Yes they were when they saw the option they had. and the best way to win was to burn down the Alliance which was done at the time and now. The thing your complaining about now was done 15 years ago and the Alliance as able to deal with it but chooses not to today.
This is problem of motivation or ‘map’ or ‘meta’.
1 Like
Alliance dealt with it exactly the same as they’re doing now. They stopped queuing for AV and horde queue times spiked, just like now.
Only blizzard actually addressed it back then.
1 Like
Your ignoring the fact this this version of the map was used in classic and Alliance players did just fine, even with Horde doing what you call ‘scorched earth’
1 Like
Not so. Every single horde and alliance pvper would need to do AV regularly for that to be the case. Since a mere fraction of alliance pvpers do AV it can quite easily be the reason.
If the horde had 40 afkers every AV and lost 100% of those games I wouldnt be sitting here telling you the horde are just as good in AV because they dont afk in the other bgs.
The win rate was just fine, your revisionism is not helping you.
1 Like
Why does alliance suck this time around?
In original we almost never lost to horde. No one complained.
Today it flipped, on all exact same. And alliance is crying instead of playing well.
My guess all good players went horde this time around.
1 Like