“The trolls deserved to be genocided because they were defending their natural homelands from colonizing humans, and later belves.”
Wearisome.
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mumbles Stupid writers muble mumble Incompetent mumble mumble
slams door
Okay, so… just a correction here.
The Amani trolls attacked the humans and elves first, not the other way around. According to the written lore the Elves settled in unclaimed forests in what would one day become Quel’thalas, but the Trolls considered those forests to be sacred and attacked them. As for the Humans, the Amani encroached on their borders first and attacked them. So it could be argued that both the Elves and the Humans acted in self-defence.
Also, there’s no recorded acts of genocide occurring against the Amani with respect to the humans or elves wiping out troll villages. The biggest loss of life the trolls suffered was at the foot of the Alterac Mountains, far from their capital city of Zul’aman, and it was their assembled army that was destroyed, not any villages or cities.
After the loss at the Alterac mountains the Amani Empire shattered into the various tribes that we see now. The Witherbark, Vilebranch, Revantusk, Mossflayers etc. There are no recorded troll tribes that lived in the regions that would one day become the Tirisfal Glades or the Western Plaguelands. However there was a troll tribe in Silverpine (The Shadowglen Tribe) and another in the Eastern Plaguelands (The Mossflayer Tribe) and those two tribes were left mostly untouched by the humans due to their remote locations.
The Mossflayer Tribe was ultimately killed by the Argent Crusade after the Cataclysm, although by that time a not so insignificant number of them had been turned into undead.
The Shadowglen Tribe was wiped out, not by the humans, but by Illidan and Malfurion as they attempted to rescue Tyrande from the Scourge. The Shadowglen Tribe lived on the bank of the river and refused to let Illidan and his Naga pass through their territory, so they came to blows and ultimately the Shadowglen Tribe was left without warriors or a chieftain. Since they haven’t been seen in Silverpine since, it’s likely that if there were survivors, they moved on or were killed by the Scourge.
Note: It’s also possible that the Shadowglen Tribe was made non-canon. Silverpine in World of Warcraft is very different from how it is represented in Warcraft III, and the fact that there’s no evidence that the trolls ever existed there in WoW could mean that they were simply written out of canon lore. Had we gotten an updated story in Warcraft III: Reforged with the game updated to reflect World of Warcraft, then maybe we’d know more about the Shadowglen Tribe, but for now they’re either non-canon or were wiped out by Illidan and his Naga.
I don’t know how to express in words how awful and frightening this post is.
The only constructive thing I can add is that this post reminded me how patently awful the storylines around dragons in WoW are. Not that the stories themselves are a poor narrative - I’d have to spend some time thinking about it - but from a stance of decency and morality they are disgusting (not that I think that fact makes a story bad, just it’s very different from dragon stories elsewhere).
I really hope Dragonflight doesn’t make me relive some of those moments.
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It’s really worth noting that I think the World of Warcraft team are trying to distance themselves from the whole sexual assault aspect of what happened to the Red Dragonflight. That entire narrative was written way back in 2001, and would have been signed off on by folks like Chris Metzen and Mike Morhaime, as Alex Afrasiabi wasn’t even employed by Blizzard at that time (he joined Blizzard in 2004).
It has never come up in WoW, and even now with Dragonflight coming, the quest chain with Duroz Scaletaker doesn’t mention the sexual assault of Alexstrasza, just the ‘breaking of whelps’. Given new Blizzards attempts to wind back on some of that really disgusting crap that was created during the time of Old Blizzard, I wouldn’t be surprised if by ‘breaking of whelps’ they’re referring to ones already born and captured, not ones created through the forced breeding of Alexstrasza.
The other acts, the torture and the slavery are no better, but that could at least be ‘tolerated’ in a world like Azeroth. The sexual assault though? No, not at all.
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You play a Troll Warlock. Trolls are cannibals. Warlocks summon, enslave and dominate demons, including succubi. I genuinely don’t believe you.
why so anti-Troll?
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In this context I’m not saying these things are bad, just that the class and the race make the post seem pretty odd, comical even. Particularly because it only talked about mind control / domination to burn Alliance ships.
The class he plays is completely irrelevant to how he feels as a person. Some y’all need to separate the avatar from the player
What?
So what based on this person’s race and class that they are playing in a video game determines how they feel?
Putting that aside, you know people can play multiple characters, right? I play both a pally and a DK.
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Wonderful, so he can separate video game stuff from reality just fine and has nothing to complain about. Problem solved.
“I play a demon worshipping evil sorcerer as my escapist fantasy, but mind controlling dragons is where I draw the line in my bibbeo game”
This is an exceptionally bad take.
This is an exceptionally good take, but with the roles reversed! All hail Alexstrasza!
You want to be enslaved?
Well, ok then. I’ll pass though.
Just remember, the only thing worse than a race coming to slaughter your entire civilization and literally destroy the world is putting said race into camps to try and figure out how to heal them.
Doesn’t matter that no one thought it to be the best answer or that it was done well, it is MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE to have been done and is far more worse than the attempted genocide said race did upon the world.
Because Humans don’t count as real people, for some reason.
Actually, the Orcs were all lethargic and not moving anywhere on their own, so it was more of a zoo fence to keep the children away when visiting.
Imagine the Horde not being led by weaklings who only care about making friends with our sworn enemy. I spit on the Horde council and everything they stand for.
We know, Erevien. We know.
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Are you the literal fascist everyone talks about?
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Yes. Yes he is.
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