Horde should retake the Red Dragonflight and turn them against the alliance

The orcs as a race weren’t enslaved, just every one who came to commit genocide, which was every single one sans the Frostwolves who came through the dark portal.

HAHAHAHA oh my f’ing god are you trolling or just delusional? Do you honestly think the punishment for what the Orcs did during the 1st war should be banishment, seriously? My god, that’s gotta be the worst take I’ve ever seen.

All the Orcs were rounded up and enslaved, with the exception of those who escaped, such as the Frostwolves, portions of the Dragonmaw and Warsong Clans and the Blackrock Clan.

And again, I do not care what individual Orcs did or did not do. No one deserves to be enslaved. Period. That’s my stance, and I will stand by that. Imprisoned after being given a trial? Okay, fine, but enslaved? No, not acceptable.

You’re welcome to your opinion, as am I. Mine isn’t changing.

Also you’re posting in a thread where the OP advocated for enslavement and torture of Red Dragons (at the very least, it’s unclear if the sexual assault was advocated for) and you think ‘my’ take is the worst you’ve ever seen? Heh, alright then. Go about your business. We’ll agree to disagree.

Again, you’re welcome to your opinion. We’re going to disagree though. No harm in it, but stop trying to ‘convince’ me that I’m wrong and you’re right, my opinion is not going to change.

Flagging this, because the language isn’t necessary. You need to step back and stop taking forum posts so personally. Have a nice day.

yaaaawn yet again another ‘i can’t refute you but ima leave and get the last say’ don’t let the door hit you on the way out, gonna report your posts too sweetheart :smirk:

For what?

False flagging will get you banned, and nothing I’ve posted breaks the rules.

This just reinforces what I already said, you take this way too seriously. I’ll still be posting in this thread mind you. I just won’t be responding to you, as you’ve proven yourself to be unreasonable. Take care.

Threatening to report me, im not gonna sit there and take it

I have a pet peeve of letting such disgusting viewpoints go unchallenged

“Duh, the Orcs should have been told to go off Azeroth after trying to genocide and commit rape” na, that’s absurd.

Ofcourse cause you are losing, it’s understandable I won’t hold it against you.

You guys shouldn’t feel compelled to share your awful takes on this forum

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Again, tell me what is wrong with the Humans rounding up all the orcs and forcing them to rebuild their cities and undo the damages they caused after what they did. It’s not like they have any gold to give in terms of reparations.

I think not seeking justice and retribution against evil acts is the most disgusting action one can take.

I don’t think anything I’ve posted is ‘awful’ by any means, although I definitely agree that any take that advocates for slavery, torture or sexual assault (to name a few of many) is awful.

But this is the story forum, so people are going to discuss these things, as unfortunate as that is in some cases.

What is wrong with what you describe is that it is slavery and slavery is wrong. Really just. Doesn’t that sound obvious ?

I wasn’t referring to your posts ofc

äh, there were no genocide during zuldazar…to call every attack now an genocide is litteraly absurd…

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debatable …i mean, wit the prestory in mind.

was under sha influence…so kinda…unfair to judge their deeds as fully their own.

Slavery as a form of punishment for heinous crimes, not only do I disagree it is wrong it happens in the world today. Prisons that do penal labor technically do slavery, infact here’s me quoting the 13th amendment

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction”

You literally said Orcs shouldn’t suffer any punishment other then deportation for the crimes they committed, that’s as awful as it gets.

Ah okay, when you said ‘you guys’ I thought you were also referring to me. My bad :slight_smile:

Going to disagree there, because civilians were killed during the attack on Zuldazar, with the Dark Iron dwarves specifically going after them. It would be one thing if only military personnel were killed. Then I would say that it was just an attack on a city. But because civilians were targets and were killed, that to me is a genocide. If you don’t agree though, that’s fine.

Not really debatable. Aedelas Blackmoore gave the well behaved Orcs in his internment caps to his subordinates to serve them as slaves. He also forced the Orcs to fight in his gladiatorial games, which the Kingdom of Lordaeron was 100% fine with, as long as they got their cut of the profits it generated. Aedelas Blackmoore viewed the Orcs as property, which is why he gave Thrall that name, because it literally means slave.

I don’t think he was corrupted by the Sha at that point, but I may be wrong there. He felt a presence according to his journals, but it wasn’t until he was losing the battle and the negative emotions of that loss compounded that the Sha was able to corrupt him fully. The decision to build an airstrip in the Jade Forest and force the Pandaren to work on it and keep them working on it was all his doing.

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What??? The entire point of destroying the portal was so no new Horde could enter Azeroth. The Horde had a SECOND army waiting beyond the Dark Portal ready to potentially invade/reinforce the Horde.

More like certain Alliance individual didnt follow instructions and attacked civilians. The Alliance’s main goal was to capture Rastakhan to try to minimize casualties. Heck, Jaina even wanted them to have time to morn the loss of their king.

I happen to be strongly against penal labor but even that presupposes that there’s been an actual trial, which you seem to think is a ridiculous idea (and I wonder why — since you consider Orcs barbarians, wouldn’t you want to deliver a “civilized” justice to show how morally superior you obviously are ?)

That whole thing is one of the actual morally grey debates to be had.

Because yeah, what do you do with an army of alien invaders who have committed atrocity bingo across an entire continent?

Sending them home and hoping they don’t do it again doesn’t feel right, not gunna lie.

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genocide means that it was an attempo to end the zandalari as sociaty…there were not such an attempt.

that makes the choise to gave him the command a bad one, but the reason the camps were created were much more…reasonable…as simply enslavement.

I stand by what I said.

I understand the internment, given the situation. Totally get that. It’s wrong, but it’s an understandable wrong. But I think putting the Orcs back where they came from…

-insert Monster’s Inc scene here-

Would have been preferable.

Sure it would have ultimately messed up the WoW narrative, as the Orcs did come back through the portal to capture relics that Ner’zhul needed to open up portals elsewhere, but I still would have sealed it up with stone and steel if I couldn’t destroy it completely.

Like, cover the entire thing in a cube made of stone and steel, then get mages to teleport a ton of dirt and rock on top of the stone and steel and then build a fort on top of the dirt and rock. Just, completely bury it.

So, hope they can’t open another one like they opened the first and shove all the war criminals (some of them suffering so badly from withdrawals that they can’t feed themselves) over there?

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Yeah I doubt that would have done anything. If you saw the Warcraft movie you would see that the “Dark Portal” itself was used more like a focus and the orcs basically came of the ground: