says the side that committed not one but three near genocides on the Draenei and Night Elves…as well as the Forsaken as they currently have no way to replenish their ranks as the Valkyr aren’t helping anymore…
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Yep, Horde has done plenty of evil things, but the Alliance cannot be excused either.
The genocide of the Stonespire Tribe of Tauren
The attempted genocide of the Bilgewater Goblins.
The genocide that occurred during the war in Zuldazar.
The enslavement of the Orcs
The enslavement of the Pandaren (I see it as enslavement at least)
The list of things the Alliance has done which could easily see them painted as evil in the eyes of the Horde is quite long.
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Thanks for bringing it up. I thought about doing it myself, just didn’t have the energy to 
I do stand by what I said in the thread I left behind last night.
You’re welcome.
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Some of the Alliance stuff you can put two sides to,
The Orcs were a big issue in WC3, as they were…literally hostile aliens that tried to take over the world, but now had nowhere to go back home to. What do you do in that situation? There were many calls to outright kill off the Orcs, so the internment solution was the lesser of two evils, as awful as it was in and of itself
The Bilgewater stuff I’ve never known how to take. It felt so cartoonishly forced, and only there to justify Horde Goblins after Goblins had been long established as Neutral; that is the more opportunistic position to be in any conflict as you can sell to both sides.
Stonespire Tribe? Yeah, that was just cold blooded and wrong, no matter how you look at it. It was wrong and bad and the Dwarves should feel bad.
Zuldazar was not a genocide, it was an attack. If it had been provoked can be argued I guess, as the Zandalari had been treating a lot with the Horde. It certainly went pear shaped pretty quickly as far as attack strategies go. The not only failure to capture Rastakhan and force the Zandalari into neutrality but killing him and forcing them into the Horde’s arms made it a serious long term strategic failure—In the short term they crippled the Golden Fleet. It is hard to know exactly what happened beyond a lot of people died in it because they hardcore employed unreliable narration.
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This is a troll topic. Stop treating it as viable discussion. It’s gross.
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I dunno. I’d say the best possible use of a troll topic is to force it to be a legitimate discussion, as the troll wants outrage responses not thought out replies ignoring the attempt at outrage.
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The internment in itself is understandable given the situation. The slavery was not. Aedelas Blackmoore gave the ‘well behaved’ Orcs to his subordinates to act as their servants, and he often threw Orcs into his fighting pits, which King Terenas Menethil II was completely fine with, provided the crown got their cut of the profits. That is wrong. If all the humans did was keep them in camps, that in itself would be also wrong, but an understandable wrong.
I didn’t see it as forced. The goblins simply showed up on the wrong island chain at the wrong time. But that being said, the Alliance did try to wipe them out. Not only after they sunk the boat, but also afterwards, which, yeah that’s not okay either. The Alliance were engaging in a covert act of war, which they shouldn’t have been doing either.
As pointed out to me in another thread, the Dark Irons were killing civilians. While the slaughter wasn’t nearly at the same level as Teldrassil, when you invade a city and start slaughtering non-military personnel, that’s genocide, especially if children are killed, which I imagine in the chaos of war, many were.
This thread has valid discussions happening within it.
If you don’t like the thread, you don’t have to participate in it. Mute it and move on. The moderators already reviewed it and decided that nothing was wrong with it, with respect to the forum code of conduct.
So what parts of the topic are valid for discussion in your opinion?
If you haven’t been paying attention to the thread, it’s gone beyond what the OP started it off as.
You’re welcome to use your eyes. Or if you’d prefer, you can ignore all that. Up to you.
I’ll repeat what I told you before. If you don’t like the thread, mute it and move on. No one is forcing you to participate in the discussion.
Gnomes should build mechanical dragons.
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It’s more or less forced since the Alliance were after thrall, who was traveling with a neutral organization. That being the Earthen Ring. And was no longer Warchief of the Horde at that point. Giving the position to Garrosh.
At least the flip side had a proper motive. That being Garrosh wanted a port and Gilneas was a perfect place. While also dealing with the Forsaken, whom Garrosh had no trust in given the Wrathgate incident. Meanwhile some of the Night Elves that were involved in the creation of the Worgen learn about the curse spreading throughout Gilneas and came over to help the victims due to their guilt.
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Mechanical dragons would be awesome. I mean, Guild Wars 2 already has one. Look at it! It’s beautiful!
It’s on the to buy list because I NEED IT!!
Sorry…
-coughs-
Anyway, mechanical dragons would be awesome. Gimmeh!
Thrall may not have been the Warchief, but he was still an important figure to the Horde, so capturing him would have been a top priority. Just because he was working with the Earthen Ring at that time doesn’t make him any less of a valued target from the perspective of the Alliance.
And yet the Alliance made no effort to try and capture him again afterwards. Even into MoP they didn’t.
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True. Can’t say for sure why they didn’t try again. Perhaps because they were too busy dealing with Garrosh and his warmongering. Or maybe they realized that attempting to capture him again was too risky. After all they lost a LOT of soldiers the first time they tried.
The character should explain it to Alexstrasza. Then the camera will slowly zoom into Alexstrasza’s face. She’ll inhale deeply, stare directly into the camera and proclaim the following:
Then the war over the Dragon Isles begins, ending with Alexstrasza enslaving the entire Orcish race and ruling over Orgrimmar with an iron fist.
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I like how that entire thing with Jordan Peterson has become a massive meme.
But as I said earlier, I can’t see any of what the OP wants, happening. Even if there was a power strong enough to magically enslave the Red Dragonflight again (which there isn’t, as the Demon Soul was destroyed) it could never be used because the other aspects would just murder whoever tried. Also, unless there’s some new lore that comes from the Dragon Isles, there’s no way for the titan-blessed Dragonflights to procreate, meaning even if it was possible to enslave the Red Dragonflight, neither Alexstrasza or any of the other females of the flight could lay eggs.
No eggs, no way to create new dragons and magically age them to serve as mounts. So it’s ultimately a pointless thing for the Horde to even attempt. They should just get the Goblins to create mechanical dragons for them. There’s a 90% chance they explode but still, that’s the only way they get an army of Dragons.
Can’t agree with you. Sorry. No race deserves to be enslaved. Period. Doesn’t matter what individuals of that race have done.
They should have been rounded up and sent back through the Dark Portal, and then the portal should have been completely shut down and destroyed. And if it couldn’t be destroyed, then it should have been sealed by steel and stone.
I understand why it was done, but I consider internment camps to be wrong. That’s my honest opinion and it isn’t going to change.