Horde retcon [spoiler]

I didn’t kill a bunch of humans while under the Lich Kings control. It’s all lies and propaganda from the Scarlet Crusade.

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Sylvanas.

Whom is now removed form the horde (Whom never should have been part of the horde, nor in the position of warchief to begin with).

And Spirits willing, will be dead within the year.

I said at least a double digit IQ.

The Forsaken character you play is the Horde Adventurer, who, for the most part, fights to defend Azeroth and her mostly living populace from threats from beyond.

If you dislike the whole idea of defending the living, don’t play the new starting area, and go on an RP server where your special snowflake character can be whatever you want them to be.

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Let’s not even get into the fact that due to the dark necromantic energies that animate them, the forsaken blight the very ground on which they walk. Their very existence is anathema to all that lives, whether they like it or not.

Okay, so tell me, why is it that they fight for the living and for Azeroth to live another day?

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Neither good nor evil are inherently boring or interesting. It’s whether or not they have depth. Baine and Thrall are losing their depth and are being turned into the generic good guys that always do the right thing the right way and win because they’re the good guys and the good guys have to win.

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Chaotic Stupid, Greedy Stupid, Lawful Stupid … they’re all bad.

Writers tend to have issues with nuance. Or of going the distance to go “Yes, he’s a Knight in Shining Armor. What makes him interesting is the constant struggle and the prices he pays for his beliefs.”

A cop is sworn to catch a mass murderer. He’s working hard. And he has a son who is about to graduate. He gets so caught up on catching the murderer that he misses his sons graduation.

He’s not a bad man. He’s not a father who actively was trying to hurt his son. But he has to live with the fact he promised his son, and he broke that promise.

But that takes genuine skill and nuance. It takes a fine scalpel to write such problems.

Blizzard writers, at least the folks who write for the game, have all the nuance of a sledgehammer.

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Evidently we are noble stand up guys that do nothing shady or morally questionable.

Classic - Wrath, Forsaken lived and worked to one goal and one goal only.

Kill Arthas. They don’t care who got in their way, who they had to kill, what they had to plague, if it was a choice between life and killing Arthas, kiss your life goodbye.

After Arthas died they found new purpose in continuing their survival under Sylvanas by plaguing, pillaging and conquering what little life remained clinging to Lordaeron.

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THAT is the issue. the new writeups for the Horde don’t recognize the Horde’s darker past. I mean, I’d like to see Alliance intros recognize their darker past as well. So its not just a Horde thing. Both sides could stand with a better written 'you’re a new member of X race, here’s the details!" in the intro.

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Wait one damned minute. This is the noble savage faction, how can they say I’ve turned from my savage ways? How can I be noble if I’m not at the same time savage? I thought that was the entire point of horde, tbh.

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Except they’re given depth for the reasons they do the good thing and the consequences doing the right thing might bring.

Baine, for instance, essentially betrayed the entire Horde just to save Derek because it was objectively honorable and the right thing.

Thrall on the other hand, leaves his Horde behind and wishes to just live in a fantasy world where nothing can touch him or bother him. He then has his world shook when he realizes he can never escape who he is and what he’s meant to do, no matter how hard he tries. Hence the line, “We don’t get to hide.”

Thrall and Baine have plenty of depth and character.

Baine in the eyes of the sylvanas supporters outright betrayed the horde to do what he believed in his heart to be right, and to do literally what he believed was saving the heart and soul of the horde from being completely destroyed by Sylvanas and her psychotic rampages.

Thrall’s been in the background for a while, but he’s genuinely an individual who seeks to do good, but doesn’t always achieve said end goals (See: Garrosh). He’s sometimes blinded by nostalgia and sometimes tries to cling too heavily to old past traditions of the orcs, even when it’s to the detriment of himself and others.

Neither character is shallow or one dimensional “Generic good guys”

You clearly don’t seem to care enough to actually understand the characters, and are happy to just label them as generic good guys, and call it done and judge them to be boring. :woman_shrugging:

Good people exist. Sometimes they are in leadership. Big deal?

It’s a lot better than random psychopathic murderhobos being and charge and litearlly just trying to get everyone killed for the funsies of it and they benefit from it. :roll_eyes:

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This can’t be real rofl they are really going to try to cast the genocide faction as the good guys

Not necessarily Forsaken, but that was true for Sylvanas.

The people in this topic who fancy themselves writers are something else, I tell ya.

My favorite is the one talking about nuance and then promptly demonstrating they don’t know the first thing about nuance.

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That’s something that bothers me a lot. People call out “bad writing” and never state what is actually bad and why it is bad.

Yeah, a story can be simple. But that doesn’t mean it’s bad.

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Fight who though? I imagine they didn’t rewrite the Alliance backstory to make them out to be the oppressors of the Horde. This whole whitewashing and rewrite is silly and I hope it gets toss in the trash heap where it belongs.

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They’re busy going “This is Cool!” and the one guy who says “But several months ago you were grinning about stories involving Forsaken eating Dwarves.”

Who then gets thrown out the window for speaking the truth.

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“Convinced that the primitive races of The Horde can help them achieve victory over their enemies, The Forsaken have entered an Alliance of convenience.”

"Harboring no true loyalty for their allies, they will go to any length to ensure their dark plans come to fruition, as a new Forsaken you must massacre anyone who stands in the way of the new Order. Human… Undead… or otherwise.

  • Original Forsaken intro.
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