Something like that. “Hostage” more in the sense of “captured city” than “holding a sword to everyone’s head and threatening to kill them.”
Yeah, is what I meant, basically seize control of the city.
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Yes, but even in A Good War Saurfang suspected Sylvanas was lying to him, but just let himself get swept up any way:
- Saurfang considered, not for the first time, that Sylvanas wasn’t telling him everything.
Does that matter? Saurfang asked himself.
No, he decided. She wasn’t lying about the importance of this objective, and if she had plans beyond the coming battle, well . . . she was warchief, was she not?
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Whyyyyyyyy?
Why Amadis? Why remind me how Cleavemaster’s character had to get so thoroughly destroyed for Sylvanas?
Why you do this?
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Well, clearly all the character assassinating and over-the-top cruelty and unexplained bits was so that we could get to the pinnacle of storytelling that was Shadowlands. Where Sylvanas’s motivations were explained as “yeet a maximum of people (Horde and Alliance) into Superhell”. Which is why she led the Horde so very badly.
Up until the guy with the chain motif (who suggested throwing a maximum number of people into superhell to be ground up in the In-Universe worst fate possible) revealed himself to not be ENTIRELY alturistic.
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There’s something really blood-boiling about these passages lmao. “Does it matter that im not being told everything” YES. YOUR CHARACTER LIVED THROUGH DRAENOR’S CORRUPTION, THE DARK HORDE AND TRUE HORDE.
Any sensible writing of his character, and arguably the writing for any Orcs at this point, would be immense skepticism for all leadership, or at least a refusal to blindly follow any of them, because it’s screwed them and their home over 3 times in a few generations.
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I dunno. Not so much for me, not really, not anymore.
Like…
It’s hard to even muster up anger at what the writers did to make my Horde into SS troopers for their weird fetishistic mass-murder fantasy. Oh, Saurfang basically turned a blind eye to something he would have known was terrible? So, again. Because he did that with Garrosh too. Ok. Cool.
And hey, at least the Horde’s absentee father figure, Thrall, will once again come back from his latest trip to the store to get some milk that took two years and stand around, rallying us into fixing the latest bad mistake.
So like, my blood cannot boil any longer. The law of diminishing returns has already fully played out when this time the war wasn’t because the latest Supervillain Warchief actually was trying to get more for his people. It was because the Supervillain warchief saw lava eel love meant lava eel lovers couldn’t engage in an eternal afterlife of lava eel vore, so she went full evil half-a-soul psycho until someone said the word serve. She is a badass boss babe and she will never serve. Except she’ll serve doing Maw dailies for an indefinite time?
Meh.
I cannot even get angry anymore.
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The fact is that when those passages were written, the plot may well not have been intended to lead to the burning of Teldrasil. Remember, that sources have said was an addition by Afrisiabi over the objections of the rest of the writing team in order to grab headlines.
Character assassinating Saurfang in the WoT’s build up at least did me the courtesy of signalling that none of the oncoming garbage was to be taken seriously as a Horde player.
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Remember when Night Elves got ambushed by Goblin Shredders? Noisy robots were able to outstealth night elves in their own forests.
It’s hard to take their writing seriously.
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He’s still a member of the Horde and as such still believed in the central tenet of the Warchief holding the Horde’s Honor. And as such the Warchief in matters of war is to be obeyed without question.
The Horde is about as peace oriented a culture as the Klingons. If their neighbors aren’t strong enough to hold onto what is theirs, then the stronger have every right to take it from them.
That is the reality of the Horde… Honor and Strength. They have no truck with pacifists. They were sold by Medivh that a land of plenty and weaklings was beyond the Dark Portal, and they followed their cultural inclinations… (as well as being hopped up on fel energy) and did what was natural to them. Activities the Arathi tribes also happily practised on each other.
That is the job of the WarChief to seek out honorable combat to expand the interests of the Tribe. Saurfang had been sold on the neccessity of the defeat of Stormwind for the Horde’s survival and the siege of Darnassus would be a major step in that direction.
Saurfang has never ever been shown to be a character who disliked war for it’s own sake. A war fought honoraby offers his culture the ultimate Valhalla… dying with honor for the good of others. As long as the war was seen as having an honorabe ends… he was into it body and soul.
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Saurfang had also been suicidal since Legion, so was ultimately just looking for a way to die that he could convince himself wasn’t cowardly.
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The Tauren absolutely do not feel the same way about the Worgen.
Now you’re just lying. Tauren are the biggest softy race on Hordeside. They even get along well with night elves (when the entire Horde isn’t trying to murder them) after centuries of nelves not caring that tauren were being bullied by centaurs. Heck, tauren love other races so much, Baine can’t help but run off to help humans every time they even ask.
Tauren would absolutely love worgen.
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You’re joking, right? I’m sorry you need to add a /s because there are people who actually think this.
I mean…
They do have a long history of good relations with the night elves.
Baine has a history with his human pals.
They did get bullied by centaurs until the orcs handled it for them.
Where’s the lie?
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I’m still trying to figure out why he thinks the Tauren would dislike or hate the worgen. The two races never interacted before
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Tauren historically are into druids and shaman but not into mage/warlock, and the initial Vanilla pitch for including Undead in the Horde was that the tauren thought they were intruiging and felt for their predicament. I can see tauren looking positively on worgen, and being interested in the whole blood curse thing as it isn’t caused by sorcery.
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The relationship between Tauren and Night Elves is overblown by a lot of fans.
Some Tauren have good relations with Night Elves. Almost all of them are members of the Cenarion Circle which only a minority of Tauren Druids are any more than loosely affiliated with and the Tauren Druids themselves are already a minority in Tauren society. So most Tauren are neutral at best in regards to their opinions of the Night Elves. Many are actually spiteful towards the Night Elves due to the years of ongoing conflict with the Horde. The idea that they only fight the Night Elves reluctantly is pure headcanon. We’ve never heard any Tauren commoner lament fighting the Alliance heck some of them seem to get excited by the prospect of proving their strength in combat against the Alliance.
Even gud boi Dezco makes a point of explaining that he considers Anduin an exception when it comes to the Alliance.
Baine’s bootlicking tendencies makes him an anomaly among his people not the standard. When his warning to Jaina about the Horde attack on Theramore was exposed during Garrosh’s trial the Horde spectators were outraged and even Garrosh thought it was low.
Heck Sylvanas was even able to use his correspondence with Anduin as blackmail because the Tauren people would have overthrown him if they knew he was sending love letters to the human king.
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Night Elf Sentinels helped the Tauren reclaim Freewind Post, even in the middle of Garrosh’s war.
Plus, what’s any of that have to do with Worgen? Hell, Tauren players are about to help the Gilneans get their home back.
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