They could act as medevac I suppose, though specifically not for Varian cause Gul’dan would be able to stop them.
Er… and the Legion ships couldn’t have stopped the Val’kyr from saving the Horde?
Pretty sure there were no Legion ships at that part of the scenario, though I didn’t tend to look up there.
EDIT: There were a lot of demon bats though, a lot of demon bats.
EDIT2: On that point, how would the Alliance have retreated on a ship with all that as well.
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He never said that anything made him change his mind about retreating.
They didn’t because they couldn’t. That was the point. Nothing the Horde could have done differently would have changed anything. More over, the Alliance literally had an airship to evacuate them. The Horde had to run the whole way to the beach to escape. How exactly could have the Horde helped the Alliance retreat?
This runs on the assumption that the only place the fighting was happening was on the Broken Shore. Now this is giving Blizzard credit even with shoddy representation but they are pretty clear that the fighting was far from localised. Yes it was most fierce on the Broken Shore but both factions were still actively involved in the fighting. This is why apparently so many people died in the fighting on both sides and both sides had to rebuild and recover. This is why both the Alliance and the Horde talk like they were involved in a great victory. Without it, the Horde epilogue makes literally no sense since Liadrin was the only person at that table who actually appeared in Legion.
Also, do you think all the fighting on Azeroth stopped when we went to Argus. You only need to look up on Argus to see all the Legion ships heading to Azeroth.
Oh great. So how exactly are 4 Val’kyr going to really help the Alliance retreat? You do remember the Alliance retreated via Airship right?
If there were ships, the Airship would never have gotten away. If the giant target of slow moving metal doesn’t get lasered, the ghost viking ladies are probably chill.
There were Legion Warships in the air bombarding the Horde line. It was one of the things that broke the Horde defences. Its easy to miss in the chaos but they are there and there are three.
My guess is they were too busy taking shots at the fleeing Horde rather than moving on to the Alliance. The Horde pretty much ran away with it’s tail between its legs. It was a pretty humiliating butt kicking the Horde got.
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It’s been awhile, but still point stands, if the giant floating target of an airship doesn’t get ctrl alt del by the ships, val’kyr get a pass.
That “something” is called “bad writing”.
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Val’kyr could have helped pick up Alliance all the same. Would have been a lot faster than people climbing up rope ladders.
Depending oneself from the Legion does not defeat them. That was Illidan’s whole point.
There were at least five Val’kyr in the cinematic, when five out of nine of Sylvanas’ main Val’kyr were already dead. However, we also know that the main Val’kyr can have lesser Val’kyr with them.
That’s my point. So the Val’kyr could have helped the Alliance, too.
Of course, this is exactly the “Why didn’t the Horde do [X]?” that I was talking about, which we won’t get answers for.
Yes.
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Ah yes, the limited number of angel ladies that were already airlifting people out, with ALOT of bat bois in between them and the alliance. Those ones.
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Yeah. The ones that weren’t harassed by the bat bois for seemingly no reason.
Because they were retreating AWAY from the battle with the already airlited people, not INTO the fray and right down to the people being actively slapped around by said bat bois. And if I was a Bat Boi and I saw Thrall AND High King Chin being held by one dive bombable target, I know what I’m doing.
Hahaha, my point was that when the Horde retreated the Legion just sat there and let them go, like an anime villain doing a magical girl the courtesy of not attacking while she transforms.
I feel like the transformation manners stop being a thing when said magical girl uses your kindness to kick you in the junk, or in this case, fly back into the murder party.
Isn’t that the entire premise to most magical girl anime?
Yeah but they pose first so you know it’s coming, if mid way through all the glowy lights they suddenly dickkick you, thats just rude.
Now I really want to see a magical girl do just that sometime.
Magical girl anime with Revvy from Black lagoon as the magical girl.
Hahaha, would be pretty cool.
4 Val’kyr to help the Alliance get onto their ship, assuming the Alliance soldiers didn’t freak out at Val’kyr trying to pick them up.
Of course not but without the defence, Azeroth wouldn’t have been around long enough to save. If nothing else, Dalaran and the fighters on the front lines must have been pretty dependent on supplies and reinforcements from the Alliance and the Horde which they wouldn’t have been getting if there lands were smoking ruins.
Seriously this is like saying “you cant win unless you score points”. It is true but scoring points doesn’t necessarily mean you will win if there is nothing stopping the other side from scoring too. The Legion was much more capable of scoring than we were.
We have seen Lesser Val’kyr once so maybe? And I got the number wrong. It still doesn’t change much. Hell, are you even sure that, assuming the Alliance soldiers didn’t balk at being carried by Val’kyr, that the lesser ones would even be able to carry a fully armored soldier up on to the ship?
The difference would have been minor and end of the day, what caused the most losses to the Alliance retreat was the fel reaver that would have done what it did anyway.
Its called a stretch. If that is really the best “what the Horde should have done to help the Alliance retreat” your kind of scraping the barrel to try and justify the Alliance reaction.
The lore seems to be pretty much leaning towards the Horde being in no position to help. That was the view of the horde playerbase in general, Baine and Sylvanas. The Alliance assumed they had been betrayed and were enraged the moment the horn sounded the retreat. I doubt they would have even trusted the Val’kyr at that point.
That is a huge assumption. The moment the Horn sounds we switch to Varian’s PoV so we see practically nothing of the Horde retreat. For all we know the Legion likely chased them to the beach. There has to be some reason those Legion ships didn’t start taking pot shots at the Skyfire. For all you know the Horde might have inadvertently been drawing fire away from the Alliance’s means of escape.
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