Just trying to read that gave me gout.
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The only time I see anyone even bring up Taurajo anymore is when Alli use it to say how Horde can’t let go of Taurajo.
See: this thread.
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Grimmox, remember when I said every alcoholic thinks they’re a social drinker?
This. This is what I meant. This is not faction pride. This is delusion, and a failure to separate the game and reality.
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To be clear to you I don’t really care about the Horde losing Taurajo. Post cata azeroth has been around much longer now than pre cata azeroth. People who still bring up one minor village as a point don’t have much of a point to make.
I care about the overall story of this game, of which has been extremely poor as of late for Horde. But it always has been that way. Horde has gone through leader after leader for no discernible reason. And the only reason I saw Thrall stepping down as Warchief permanently is because he became Metzen’s self insert. (He probably always was that but Metzen retiring and thrall stepping out of the limelight really screamed that to me)
Can I speak for the Alliance and their council of Anduin and Jaina? No. I don’t play alliance.
That is literally when it was brought up.
Who cares?
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Yikes so big it was a boss in Ulduar.
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You guys ever notice how a lot of Horde fanboys think they have basically free reign to insult Alliance players however they like, and then get super mad when those same Alliance players tell them their interpretations of the story are dumb?
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I recently saw that faction merch was on sale and, after looking at all of it, realized I’d only pick based on which color would look better on me.
And then I was like “I don’t want to spend $30 on a shirt tho”
My lack of passion is what’s killing this game.
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I feel as though one of the healthiest changes I made for myself in terms of this game is to largely stop staunchly identifying as Horde. Or as Alliance, honestly. I’m just here, and I play whichever characters I like in whichever story–stock default or personal contrivance–strikes my fancy.
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This is kind of where I’m at.
It’s awesome to like the Horde! There’s plenty to like about them! They’re aggressive, they take action, they get to beat down doors and lay siege to stuff and at least two of their races are stylish as heck.
Identifying as Horde, though, to the point where criticism of their story genuinely bothers you, is a little much.
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I actually used to be one of those types who would angrily, bitterly argue until my face was blue that the Horde wasn’t as genocidal and evil as it was made out to be, and that Alliance players were just whiners. I used to be that type.
Then I grew older. Then I watched the Horde increasingly written as almost indisputably evil. Then I started letting out a sad sigh that, to this day, is still whooshing out of me.
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It used to be, lol, just as Marvel used to just a comic book company. Disney is the 11th most powerful business entity on the planet. Wow is the best game every made, it appeals to a wide range of demographics, class statuses, and cultures…whole religions were created with less. However, to me it is a book, one that I can play through my character. I enjoy writers that also care about the characters in it as I do.
I used to view the Alliance as the whinier faction, then this whole 400 ilvl item thing happened and I had to admit both factions were pretty good at it.
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I really miss the days when this was true. I was a Hordie then, too. I want my faction back.
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I would like that faction back too. That way I can join it.
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I think the last time I actually took pride in playing Horde was the very beginning. It was a group of world-weary tribal peoples + one nation of forlorn zombies with an uncertain future
(Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an Old Horde Only type)
coming together as a group with a checkered past, just trying to build something new and survive in a land that would otherwise chew them up and spit them out. I could get excited about that. I could really immerse myself in those long treks across the Barrens, those eerie rides through Felwood, those dangerous treks into Blackrock Mountain to fight for the safety and prosperity of the Horde.
Because that’s what it was. Clashes with the other faction would happen but they were skirmishes. They didn’t yet have the baggage of “hey it might be cool to erase this city from all realities and kill its fleeing civilians, TALLY HO!”
And then every new conflict was some additional serving of “your faction did some new horrible thing, look how morally gray it all is.”
I’m not proud of playing Horde anymore. I only really log on because I’m too invested in the characters I rolled while playing it, and the few people I still RP with. But not for the faction itself. It’s no longer what I signed on for.
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It’s part of the reason why I’ve been callng for Thrall so hard. Regardless of whether Thrall is a writer’s pet or whatever, he represents the best of horde writing, imho. Band of loners and outsiders coming together as a family to survive in a hostile world.
Hell, the original concept for the Forsaken, according to Metzen, was ‘Plagued humans trying to survive, nothing more.’
I miss when both factions were good.
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No. No, it’s still a game. Any thoughts otherwise are a mistake on your part.
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I have to say, more than anything, I really hope that we don’t wind up with Thrall or Saurfang as Warchief. Or any orc, really. It’s such a problem with both factions that they are so beholden to a status quo: whether it’s Varian and Anduin being put on pedestals above other leaders of the ALLIANCE (![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
), or how dominated the Horde is with orcs.
I’ve wanted so badly to see how the Horde functions with a different cultural influence than the standard “Blood and Thunder, Lok’tar Ogar!”, and despite technically having two non-orc Warchiefs, they’ve… never actually done anything.
Vol’jin came in at the end of Pandaria, disappeared for Draenor, and then died in Legion. And it’s been impossible to give Sylvanas a chance, because literally everything after the cinematic reveal for BfA has been a flashing neon sign saying #NotMyWarchief, even when I agree with her.
If she gets ousted just for Thrall to waltz back in and pretend that hitting the reset button is good enough, I seriously might have to quit playing my Horde characters for a few years. Not out of anger, it would just crater any sort of interest that I can muster for them.
Honestly the only Horde leader I would be excited to see as Warchief is Gallywix.
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