Horde morale is low

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I mean for this to make sense, each fan base would have to be comprised of people who only play one faction, which, as we covered already, is incredibly rare.

Also Horde says the same thing about Alliance so :man_shrugging: I kind of doubt both statements.

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No, not really. It would just have to have fanbases primarily invested in one faction over the other, which doesn’t strike me as particularly rare at all.

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Both sides think the other is larger, and we’d need data on how much time they spend logged in on which faction.

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Hence why I said there is no numbers to point to.

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What if it was a third faction made up of not just Forsaken, but ALL Undead races?

Like say Saurfang deposes Sylvanas, but she isn’t killed and breaks away as Queen of All Undead or something. The Horde could gain a different race to replace them like ogres or something.

Death knights could still choose which faction they wanted to serve because they have already broken free with Ebon Blade, but if they wanted to join her they could. And all Horde and Alli races could make Paladins as a tradeoff to Forsaken Dark Ranger class.

I dunno.

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I would leave Horde in an instant for a Scourge faction. I like being the bad guys and I would rather just be in the bad guy faction.

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Horde morale is low, but since the reveal of Zandalari druids, Horde morel has never been higher.

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You’re a monster, Thokk.

A MONSTER.

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I gotta say, I play Horde because they have my favorite race. The vast majority of my characters are neutral. Only one is actually apart of the Horde but he is not so big on what is going on. Regrets. That is about it. At one time I felt a small bit of pride for the Horde but it is gone now.

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The game is Blizzard. Which means the Horde, and the Alliance, belong to Blizzard.

It will never, ever be “our story” to write.

And your later comment about how “we don’t mind losing, we just don’t want to be described as losers” reinforces the perception that the Horde is the Angsty Teenager Faction. The current storyline is pushing Horde past that.

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Well, all the top raiding guilds and I believe most of the top PvPers are all Horde, so if you just looked at leader boards you would think the horde has a crushing population advantage.

Then I look at WRA where the two factions are nearly balanced and in late Legion where something like 34 of the top 40 raiding guilds were Horde.

I wonder if we have this weird situation where high end players skew heavily Horde and casual players skew heavily Alliance.

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Also the “we don’t mind losing” thing is plainly false, as evidenced by Taurajo.

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I wholeheartedly agree that the “We don’t mind losing” thing is false. There will always be people that are not ok with losing. No one likes to lose.

However, I feel like using Taurajo is not a good example. I believe this is a not an ok line of thinking as I believe battles and massacres are very different things. Of course as a Tauren Roleplayer I am viewing this from a Tauren perspective.

Yes, I do know that Baine states that Taurajo was a military target but I disagree with him strongly on that. Having a few warriors and being at being located at a place of strategic importance does not make it a military target. It’s a village that did not pose much of a threat. The Alliance could have easily made better choices in regards to Taurajo. Such as occupying it. They had a vastly superior force and could have captured it with little trouble and prevented word reaching Mulgore by encircling the village. To prevent anyone from warning Mulgore that the Alliance was coming.

Instead, they attacked and killed warriors and civilians. Those they didn’t kill they forced right into the Quillboar out of ignorance. I understand that Blizz did this to show that the Alliance has a darkside to which I appreciate. There are heroes and villians on both sides.

I am sure some Hordies are upset that the Horde lost and the Alliance “won.” Others however, are angry that such a terrible act was preformed and innocents were killed. The same way the Kaldorei have every right to be angry about the innocents lost in the War Of Thorns. A vastly greater number of people that did not need to die.

Since reading this, I cannot for the life of me come up with an example I would rather see which I would say that is kinda messed up. The battles that come to mind between the Horde and the Alliance either end with Horde victory or a stalemate of some kind. Some would say that the Siege of Lordaeron was a win for the Alliance but I feel that since Sylvannas killed the troops and basically firebombed the place, it felt more of a stalement to me as well. That really sucks for the Alliance. The Alliance needs some true wins against the Horde.

I would also like to state that by disagreeing, I am not saying the above commments is not legitimate. I simply wish to respectfully disagree. I simply do not wish for anyone to mistake my intentions in stating my opinions on the matter. Just in case.

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I think a better example is probably the Siege of Orgrimmar, which a lot of people complain was the Alliance conquering and occupying a Horde city, even though it was actually the Horde doing that to themselves?

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We won’t be having another talk about the events of Taurajo. I meant it more as the fact that, despite the fact that Horde victories far outweigh Horde defeats (the Horde have never been truly “defeated” in the way the Alliance have), it’s the one thing that emotional players bring up time and time again.

It’s pretty weird, too, how far the conversation has moved that we’re not even considering Horde defeats as feasible writing.

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Cata was so boring, we had to find SOMETHING to… occupy ourselves :sunglasses:

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Now that I think about it SoO 2 could legitimately take place in an Alliance city.

Sylvanas and knaifu sieging Stormwind while Thrall heroically leads the Horde renegades to free Stormwind.

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No offense, but that sounds incredibly expected.

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I will be seriously pissed if Thrall comes back to claim leadership.

Everything that has happened since he abandoned us to Garrosh is his fault.

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Sorry, I couldn’t resist reaching for that low hanging fruit.

I think it’s the most likely outcome at this point. It’s the only thing I can think of that would have made the game team sign onto the Sylvanas villainy arc years in advance.

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