To bad their dps don’t know how to aoe for crap when the horde is in a choke point.
I’ve seen it happen quite a lot that alliance are generally dominating horde in the mid and at IBGY but eventually end up having SHGY soft capped and that’s game.
That has not been my experience playing my alliance alt. I would venture to say that when horde get to SH and SF before alliance have a chance to even see beyond IB - there is a massive issue.
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Yep, right now horde can just D up until they can summon the ice guy, made even easier if they have taken SHGY.
Keep ignoring the HPH aspect of the equation. You continue to do you, boo.
Yes keep ignoring that, you haven’t explained why alliance aren’t trying to get as much hph as they can and would rather just not try.
You can’t have it both ways and say alliance care about hph which is why they don’t queue AV and also say that alliance don’t care about hph which is why they’re bad in AV.
What kind of bizarre argument is this? The ones trying to get the fastest HPH are in the other 2 BGs, BECAUSE THE HPH THERE IS MUCH FASTER.
Yes because of the map the HPH in the other two is better, well for premades at least.
If the map imbalance was fixed AV would be very decent HPH.
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Now ask yourself: why does one side have much, much shorter queues?
If I play Alliance, why am I gonna queue when the honor is garbage and I’m 100% going to lose?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue here. I 100% agree that someone who gets an insta-queue vs someone who waits in queue for 2 hrs, the latter is going to try harder.
The question is: if the factions are balanced, why are Horde queues 2 hrs long? That answer should be pretty obvious
It is obvious. Those who choose alliance tend to not want to PVP/BG. And those who do queue for BGs have less motivation to PVP.
I am arguing that it is not a simple matter for pointing at faction ratios on PVP servers.
If PVE servers were in a pool with only PVE servers, and PVP servers were only in a pool with PVP servers, the former would have alliance with 2 hour AV queues.
Except those same less motivated people do just fine in the other 2 BG’s.
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Wrong. The alliance that queue for AV are different from the ones that queue for WSG and AB. It’s been established quite a many times already. In WSG/AB, I rarely see anyone in anything less than T1, with the average player having BWL gear. In AV, you see much more alliance players that arent even level 60 yet, let alone in any current gear
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I really can’t be convinced of that argument. Alliance or Horde, we’re all just random gamers. I really don’t think “alliance players tend to not want to pvp”, “horde are more aggresive, better at pvp”, etc. Besides, when it’s nonpremade AB & WSG, the W/L is pretty 50/50 on both sides.
And AB & WSG queues aren’t long on either side.
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I’d really like to see what the scene would be like with Patch 1.6 AV. This was the AV that saw multi-day fights in the same instance.
Horde also have way a way more powerful ‘super class’ than Alliance. Sure, my blessings make our factions classes much stronger (+10% stats, AP buff stacking with Battle Shout) than the Horde’s. But Shamans can instantly remove 2 buffs with a single press of a button. They can also give us the personal experience of what it’s like to fly a kite, with a key on it, in the middle of a thunderstorm. Blizzard + Chain Lightning that’s been empowered with trinkets like Zan. Hero Charm are devastating and can easily break our lines.
I’ve also noticed that Horde players are just straight up better at PVP. Their hunters ruthlessly keep up Viper stings on mana users; Alliance…either haven’t trained it, or don’t understand that PVP is a ‘team effort’: Your personal damage means jack-none if we lose because healers were free-casting heals, while mages were free-casting blizzard.
The biggest issue by far is that because AV has an artificial queue time and the other BG’s are instant for alliance you get worse HPH in AV even if you won let’s say half of them. So you immediately lose most of your rankers. Also a lot of alliance rankers are done with their honor for the week right around when weekend bonus’s come out. A lesser issue is that the map is horde favored. Although i will say alliance hunters that i’ve seen quite often viper sting spam.
But yeah paladins make AB easier for alliance (being immune to spin flag caps is huge) while shaman make AV easier for horde because of huge backline burst.
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Just gunna make sure I’ve said this atleast once on the forums.
The map massively favors the horde, but we can’t actually know if it causes the winrate on its own (I doubt it does.)
If you’re going to deny the horde map advantage, you’re just wrong. You can make whatever argument for why alliance lose, but the map favors the horde and that’s that.
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Agree with you. The winrate being as bad as it is most of the time really isn’t because of the map advantage. There would still be a huge difference without it.
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Yep it would be the same as it is in WSG and AB.
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Absolutely delusional. You’re the whole reason i want the horde cave moved back.
Yep, whatever it takes to shatter the horde illusion they are somehow gods of pvp because of AV.
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