Horde are winning 99% of AV's and also getting 99% of the HKs

So you have nothing to provide to the discussion more than a dismissive “nope” and accusation of bias. Gotcha.

Even when alliance could do premades, we would still lose 60-70% of the time. I would join a premade and would lose all the time, the biggest difference is the premades gave us a fighting chance to win. I can count on one hand the number of games that horde got steamrolled with premades that I played. When alliance did win most games it was by seconds. The games were a lot closer and more competitive. I didn’t hate losing games that were competitive but still fun. The games now are just a joke, better off dying once and run around dead because it’s so one sided. People can say get better players but when you’ve been steamrolled hundreds of times why would you want to even try anymore.

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I am not rehashing TBC with you. The fact remains that literally no one. And I mean no one was arguing “horde map advantage” as the reason why alliance players were in premades. To argue otherwise is ludicrous. Even at the time when premades were going to be removed, literally no one argued map advantage as a reason why the change shouldn’t happen. So yeah, it is revisionist history. Your spin is inapplicable to this particular argument.

Your premade must have really sucked then. Like really really really sucked if you were only winning 30-40% of the time in the “Horde isn’t going to bother doing anything but Lts. + Balinda” era.
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Honestly, I think you are lying. That’s how much this doesn’t align with the 1 in 6 games where horde would actually try to win games experience I had during that exact same time frame.

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Av weekend has shown me that even when alliance lose they can still take almost everything south while horde gear up for van. About half the games I play they get all towers and Lts this weekend even with 10 horde defending on average.

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It’s almost like it’s not the map holding them back.

But that can’t be true based on what the alliance are saying…lol.

Yes when horde choose not to play scorched earth alliance can do decent and have a decent win rate. Noone has ever denied that.

People should instead follow the side that is the benefactor to the overwhelming advantages that there is in fact, nothing wrong…lol

Na the horde all cry about the lost bases they just csnt stop the allies up to taking storm poke it’s been buisness as usual after that the alliance gets a 30man south and just wrecks everything.

If horde have storm pike you should easily be finishing the game quickly if 30 alliance get south.

Sounds to me like the 10 alliance that were north were, idk, properly using the bridge?

10 alliance will not hold the bridge against 40 horde. Or 30 for that matter if as he says 10 horde went back to D.

Thry always want to wait for towers and 30.

We all know this type

“If you dont agree with me your trolling”

Grow up

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What cowards reported this as trolling?
So sad to see such weakness when someone doesn’t agree with you.

Only a matter of time that the mods who have to undo these things get fed up and ban them from posting.

What if alliance could spawn more at a time? The games recently played, when spawning can be up to a minute or longer. While waiting I notice 10 players spawning. Given the chance to have more people able to reenter battle could help. Wouldn’t require any map changes.

Why code that when you can just code no one rezing at the caves?

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Oh look a 1750 player trying to explain bgs to people.
Sorry if it doesn’t fit your narrative but AV is incredibly Horde biased and expecting pugs to overcome that advantage vs other pugs is disingenuous.

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Oh look, another “elite” alliance player that can do no wrong and things the map is the reason they lose AV, instead of his teammates who aren’t even trying to win.

Oh look, another horde player hiding behind a retail toon trying to debate their obvious advantages in pvp.