The only way they’re going to even that number out is by getting rid of racials and providing free faction and realm transfers.
I can see the former happening but the latter will never happen. Blizz is too greedy and stubborn to admit there’s a problem and even if they said they’d work on it, I wouldn’t believe the BS they spewed from their mouths about fixing it.
It’s not. The census sites track characters. Not players.
The leaderboards paint a much different picture that is heavily horde skewed.
Game isnt balanced around 1800+ rating and Mythic player. Alliance have more roleplayer and Horde never complains.
There have fun. That’s what I was talking about. Not whatever it is you’re saying. I had not said even one thing about the Alliance, I don’t really care. It had not been my point at all. Please don’t try to twist points that I make because it had nothing to do with what you claim I made you “sad” about. I’m not sharing my opinion on metrics that quite frankly mean nothing to me. Simply pointing out what I saw.
If people think Alliance is going through issues, that’s a different topic I don’t really care to talk about personally. Like I said, had not been my point.
6/8 mythic is a very cherry picked metric as is 1800+ pvp especially since you only need 2 other people to PvP with.
Apparently 75% of the target audience really enjoys thin plots about hyper-aggression, black and white divisive politics, and mass genocide.
Elite 2300+ rated roleplayer here.
So what you have discovered is Alliance has better things to do than waste their time on crap content in a crap expansion. Also proving the BFA def team aka leaders of the horde fraternity have many loyal horde zombies.
Horde have outnumbered alliance since BC with the introduction of blood elves. Also your sample doesn’t reflect the whole player base well especially with BFA. The expansion where you can do world quests to get raid gear. m+ is left out and with 8.1 you can get mythic raid gear with out ever raiding or pvp at all.
I don’t have those things, my guess is neither do millions of other players.
FLAWED SAMPLE, based upon the post topic.
I actively play the game, there are more ways to actively play it than the ones you consider “active.”
I could come here and say only people like myself, with all the new factions at exalted, actively play the game.
Someone could come here and say how only people with high pet battle ratings, if there is such a thing, actively play the game.
Active doesn’t mean what you think it means. Anyone who does whatever stuff, in the game enough, is actively playing the game.
What is with the attitude exactly?
Some person makes a rude comment and you base your post on it (which I didn’t see the silly claim they made anyway), then make it sound like everyone (you said people) is out to get the little guy, and you then lash out at me for trying to show you that isn’t every one?
You also said you don’t care about the topic.
Thats fine, but I am trying to keep things in perspective. You didn’t even have to weigh in if you don’t care, and no I’m not trying to twist things, but this is how things happen when there’s a discussion through text.
I was commenting on what I saw people like him saying, which is basically that what’s not included in the ‘metric’ isn’t important. Hence why I don’t care about the metric or topic itself. I care about pointing out when I see someone saying nonsense.
Yes, my post had been based on that and similar, I point out when someone’s being rude in that sense regardless. He’d been arguing with someone about whether or not an aspect of gameplay was important and said what I quoted there, I didn’t feel like quoting his comment before because it’d been repeated a couple times in this post.
Also, I was pointing out the “you make me sad” post. It simply doesn’t make sense and seems like a jab.
I think there are a lot more active players than the OP numbers show. I do agree that there is a problem though.
The problem is most people don’t care
about mythic plus, mythic raids or rated pvp. People want to log in and have fun. Fun use to mean you logged in. Hooked up with friends and accomplished things. Raids, PvP, quest, world events, etc…
Now it’s just grind through one skill level, then grind some more through the next and it continues from their. The rewards are just temporary cosmetic gains. By the time you get through one teir your back to the grind for the next. Also, let us not forget azerite, more grinding. Rep, more grinding. Professions, more grinding. It feels like a job, Not entertainment!
Also, let us not forget the many addons we must use and update on a regular basis. Then we must watch videos and memorize fights before we ever do them. Guilds have specific addon requirements, and require everyone know every fight before ever stepping foot in a dungeon/raid.
I mean, this game requires more daily time than my career and college take/took. We have lives outside of this game. So, LFR, rbgs, rep grinding, profession grinding, is all i have time for. To be honest, I don’t even get all that done on a regular basis.
So, maybe it’s not an active player issue. Maybe it’s that, active players no longer participate the same way they use to.
Even if players have participated this expansion. They quickly grew tired of the constant grind that rewarded a temporary reward as they got ready to run the same content again for the same gear with slightly hire item level.
Maybe blizzard is so focused on esport money they forgot this is a game. Just an fyi. There is no such thing as esports, just a bunch of lazy, entitled snowflakes pretending they are relevant. Get a real job or, start a real business, and contribute to society.
Right, I’ve not been wanting to touch any of that, I’d been much more active in Legion with that stuff. Learning the lore firsthand was much more important back then to me. I still log in to do other stuff, of course, which is why a lot of the activity isn’t really logged.
One of the problems I think is just that the story isn’t that…fun currently, in my opinion. Zone, yes, but overall, no, meaning the incentive to do higher content is lower (for me, and maybe others, depends on who you talk to.)
Let me try to be clear. I value you as a regular on the forums, even though we don’t really cross paths often. I didn’t get the context because I wasn’t in on every single post in the thread.
You said people, and essentially I was trying to point out that’s not everyone’s stance, it’s not even part of the OPs point as some of us have tried to point out repeatedly. I don’t think it’s even a majority as far as this topic goes, and I was sad because in my interpretation you suggested that people in general think activities outside of group required content aren’t relevant.
This wasn’t some harmful thing where I was trying to poke you. I don’t want people feeling like the heart of this topic is out to hurt them or make them feel like they don’t matter.
My jaw drops at posts like this one. The obliviousness sort of demonstrates the problem.
No I don’t think the majority of people think that (I really hope not, anyway.) I was just pointing it out from what I saw on this post. I know most aren’t saying that but I poke at the people who do in order to point out that it’s not a very nice mindset to have.
OPs point is yes, less people are doing major content, which of course is a problem. I don’t care to talk about it that much though because I already have a lot and am tired of doing so ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
It’s been driven to the ground and I really hope things do improve, I myself am not as engaged as I was in Legion.
As for targeting, definitely not OP, but people like the person I quoted. Sorry for my snark, I was annoyed for likely no good reason, and it happens. But I don’t mean to be rude either, that was my bad.
Edit: Aaaaaand I misread the title. Yep, thought it said Horde has already “lost” 70% of the playerbase. Well that would explain the confusion.
There’s parts of BFA’s story that are excellent, truly. Also, parts that could have been done better. And some that are just bad.
(I am deep into the lore and story matters to me.)
Why are you so defensive about this? The data should concern, rather than anger you. It concerns the hell outta me.
Idk why horde guilds haven’t swapped already for increase to ap gain and such
I like to do a lot of stuff in the game sometimes, so I know even just pet battle achievements are a challenge sometimes.
I get that people are tired of this whole horde v alliance thing, but it’s becoming something more than just a rivalry or competition thing.
We left our old guild and raid team behind for BfA to set out with a 3rd friend and find a new home. The guilds we were able to join fell apart for one reason or another, but the true strain was that it was just too hard to recruit people who wanted to raid. M+ they weren’t even capable of pushing, so there wasn’t any hope there. The rest of the time was spent searching and searching for guilds and bashing our heads against the wall that is PuGging M+ and trying to even get to +10.
We are back with the old guild and managed to convince our third friend to join, but there’s no evidence that we will be able to raid with them yet when the new raid is here, and there are reasons we left in the first place that have to be managed…
Of course this is just my long winded personal story. We are happily doing high keys since we have a guild who can tackle those and are willing, but I really REALLY worry about going back to the hair ripping activity of looking for another raid team. Somewhere along the way there’s been this migration to one side and it’s starting to put a squeeze on the other, which I think is one part of what is wrong with the game right now.
I shouldn’t have replied to you directly and just put this as a general reply, but it wasn’t supposed to turn into some long thing.