I dunno–did he ever send Jaina a piece of his horn?
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People are super upset that they can’t be the villain. Like…of course you can’t.
You only kill Sylv’s unambiguously evil loyalists. You spare the rest. It’s fine.
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No. They actually say they were “just following orders.” There is now an actual NSDAP reference in the game now.
You only kill three named Forsaken NPCs and the Dark Rangers. You spare the lives of the rest of the crew. At 1% Hp they surrender and beg for mercy. One of their lines is “Spare me! I was just following orders.”
I assumed you would have watched the campaign by now.
Do the ship’s crew know what they’re transporting though? It wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of dark rangers just rolled up with a cage one day and they were told “don’t ask questions, do your job.” Just following orders would be a credible defense in that case. It’s not like they were actively doing something wrong like running a death camp.
Yes, the body of Derek Proudmoore is visible.
Being loyal to Sylvanas is actively doing something wrong. Teldrassil could be equated to one massive gassing.
But the main point here is that this choice of dialogue does reference the NSDAP, and the writers should know it references the NSDAP. It feels like poking fun at the Horde’s current story by incorporating an actual NSDAP analogy.
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Now i have to ask.
from a strategic standpoint, it is worth it to go through all this problem just to kill jaina?
Even at the cost of creating this division in the horde at the brink of another civil war?
where sylvanas already pretty much lost 2 soldiers? and probably more in the future?
From sylvanas PoV she really thinks that with killing her would be the key to win this war when kultiras could just name another lord admiral ? i mean yeah, the alliance would lose pretty much a walking nuke, but is not like they don’t have something else replace it.
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Fair enough. Objection retracted. I agree supporting Sylvanas period is the wrong move. As if burning Teldrassil and committing genocide against a people wasn’t the straw that broke the camel’s back. Brainwashing one guy is not worse than that. The Horde really need to take their moral compass to the shop.
the Forsaken mean nothing to Sylvanas and Nathanos. They’re all pawns to be manipulated for Sylvanas’s public image.
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Forsaken sacrifice forsaken all the time. Not just nathanos and sylvanas. They are all like that.
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Yeah, it feels like Blizzard put the climax of the story before the escalation.
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Saying that the phrase “just following orders” is a reference to anything is a stretch.
They do not neccesarily know who the prisoner is or why he is there or what’s happened to him, or anything like that. None of them neccesarily know the details about what has happened during the war, or even the details about how it started either. Sometimes “just following orders” means they were just following orders.
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The phrasing is historically attached to the defense of NSDAP soldiers and officers.
Google “just following orders” and tell me what you find.
Here’s my first link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
Second link.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-[redacted cause stupid filter]-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind
Third link.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense
Fourth link.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustFollowingOrders
You can see an obvious relation to NSDAP.
And everyone else in history that has ever used that as an explanation of what they were doing
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Bro, it’s most known as the famous NSDAP defense. It’s most associated with the Nuremberg Trials of WW2. If you don’t understand that, that’s a failing of your cultural awareness.
When most players see that phrase in game - they will immediately think of NSDAP.
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It is also called the true face of evil.
That’s the problem with it. It’s not a proper explanation for the actions they committed.
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Here’s an excerpt from your first article
Historically, the plea of superior orders has been used both before and after the Nuremberg Trials, with a [notable lack of consistency in various rulings]
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Every soldier cant possibly have unlimited command responsibility, unless they’re like omniscient beings.
Yeah, and soldiers in Vietnam used the excuse of doing as they were told when they burned villages and killed civilians. Now they have official rules against it. It’s usually accepted that doing awful things because you were told to is not a valid excuse. Or at the very least is bad.
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This is a bad faith argument that avoids that the “just following orders” defense is most and largely associated with NSDAP in WW2 in at least English-Speaking culture.
We aren’t arguing about whether or not other people in history have used that defense.
I’m stating that because of that phrase’s cultural association with NSDAP, most people are gonna see it as a NSDAP reference.
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Right, but these guys were guarding a ship, and the prisoner on the ship. Whether they knew the details about his imprisonment is up in the air, but it’s not on par with doing all that stuff.
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