How do you know I’m not a shareholder? Who is churning about the same thing? I’ve made valuable points as to why the Honor System fits in perfectly with a phase 1 launch… you’ve said NOTHING.
I said stakeholder. Not shareholder. And you are not. You would not be engaging in troll baiting discussions you know will get a fight going like you have the last couple days.
I count no less that 3 posts where you purpose is just to argue and get people in arms.
Reading through all your comments, you’ve contributed nothing. You’ve yet to care or provide valuable input. If anything, you’re deconstructing the ongoing discussion on Classic. Classic will be more successful without you trolling around being glib.
You are not reading far enough. My contribution is here and I want classic to sucseed. That means stopping the toxic behavior and calling it out sometimes.
In this particular thread I was simply agreeing with someone that you stated this:
Which according to what we do know is not right.
That’s it. The discussion seemed, and succeeded, in getting people yelling at one another instead of looking at facts.
You are wrong, the two piece field marshal isn’t BIS. The blue two piece is. Two blue piece set bonus is SP, while the FM is just stam. I believe its the shoulders and gloves or shoulders and another piece (its been a long time) but that is your BIS until naxx.
Most of these people arguing for certain things are 100% just trolling.
They dont ever bring anything to the discussion - no facts. No quotes. No nothing except their own personal feelings and hurt that the devs arent listening to their minority voice because they’re posting about it again and again constantly.
The only people I see advocating for certain things, here and on the EU forums is just a very vocal minority that want their personal nostalgia regardless of the overall health of the game.
And I whole hardly agree with you. Listen, your passion is very commendable and we need more of that. My biggest fear right now is seeing the classic fans, those of us here now WAITING for a release date crowd, to not get split into factions. We will need to stick together once launch comes.
And everyone knows I want new players and current live players to join us. And while I am somewhat #nochanges (some will tell you I am not at all :P) Those #nochagers are our family. And you know. You know what its going to look like when this place gets flooded.
So, while I didn’t add to the discussion on the honor system, I will level first then worry about that myself, I do have your back. I just want our family to stop arguing so much Which is NOT your fault for your discussion post. It’s just sadly what happens right now.
I appreciate you, Bricklethumb. I can tell you are at least as passionate as I am for Classic.
The Blue PvP set falls well under Molten Core gear for most classes. It tends to sacrifice damage for stamina which is not good for PvE Damage Dealing or Healing.
An example:
Hunter PvP Shoulders: +10 Agility, +20 Stamina, +12 Attack Power
Giantstalker’s Epaulets: +24 Agility, +5 Int, +9 Spirit, +14 Stamina, +7 SR, 1% Chance to Hit
Chance to hit being highly coveted, you can see Giantstalker’s is much, much better.
I think there are many benefits to releasing the Honor System with Classic launch and aside from the PvP 2-piece for a class, as was mentioned earlier, almost no drawbacks.
Also, if you believe the Classic raiding experience will be anything like it was 13 years ago, I’m afraid you’re painfully wrong.
Anecdotally, my raid guild spent perhaps an entire year on MC/Onyxia and then later ZG. Week after week, we never ventured to find the NUMEROUS trash skips and shortcuts that everyone uses now. MC will be full cleared perhaps within a month.
Hunter Pre-raid BiS (Truestrike Shoulders): 2% Hit, +24 Attack Power
Hunter PvP Shoulders: +10 Agility, +20 Stamina, +12 Attack Power
They’re comparable but pre-raid BiS is still better. Please understand that shoulders from dungeons are MUCH easier to get than grinding rank 10 in PvP. MC will be on farm well before anyone gets rank 10 from world PvP.
None of the rewards were available from the honor system until BG’s.
The system that was there ACTUALLY added in 1.4…
Right before AV and WSG were added into the game.
So…
They can add it with BG’s when they release and it wont be a stretch or a problem OR hardly even considered a “change” because it was added so close to the battlegrounds.