No I think classes should keep unique identity, just like I don’t like that I’ve become a bargain basement rogue, I don’t feel ret paladin should turn into a different flavor warrior.
It’s just absolutely wild that basically all of you asked to be warriors, changing the identity of what ret was.
not his hard…
god they really screwed us big time im getting sh*t on and im stilll doing top damage. im basically a pinata
This doesn’t make any sense, I don’t see warriors using word of glory, I don’t see ret paladin using charge, I don’t think warrior has divine shield, etc.
Don’t think being useless outside of a gimmick is a “unique identity”.
“I want better mobility”
“Dmg is the only good thing about us”
I stopped playing ret in cata due to them trying to go harder into dps and lost more of their support, it’s why I went enhance because they still provided good support.
The reason I picked up monk was due to the same thing, being able to provide support and control instead of just dps. (And my obession with martial arts)
You sit and cry about the identity of support being a gimmick meaning you’re trying to be just another run of the mill dps, and if that’s the case play a warrior.
Mean while I sit and wish for ww to go back to a more support control class, instead of the bargain basement rogue/warrior they are trying to push now
They had a long time to get some fat ratings… you snooze you lose.
When people pick a dps spec they expect to be that.
You’re still not making any sense, so any non gimmick specs are warriors? Do warriors have healing? Read.
When it bacame a nonjoke spec. /shrug
The hybrid tax, you want all the benefits but none of the downsides.
But just asking for dmg and mobility while wanting to get rid of the identity of support, that’s asking to be just another flavor of warrior, you’re being willfully ignorant by keep saying crap like “warriors heal?!?”
Yeah getting combo points, losing the ability as the only non healer to cleanse magic, and weakening their healing, totally wasn’t a joke.
Losing the ability to modified either being tanky or increasing ability to heal, instead forcing them to basically only be able to off heal and not brawl without gimmicks.
Hybrid tax? This isnt 2005. The downsides are not having MS, not having meaningful peels, not having an abundance of cc, not being disruptive etc.
Cata or WoD ret handled being a hybrid with decent support while not being a joke correctly, if you want your fantasy of being an accessory you can play classic, most players for many years now expect to be a dmg spec… when they pick a dmg spec.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree I guess.
This is my favorite. The “hybrid tax” as if pure DPS specs aren’t healing more than ret are.
If hybrids actually had the ability to heal themselves, especially when the one hybrid class (ret) that has to GIVE UP DAMAGE to use holy power to heal himself is still being outhealed by pure DPS specs like fury warrior and DH. I could then understand having a “hybrid tax” when it comes to your damage. As the game is right now it makes no sense. Healing should be one of paladins strongest ways to “defend” himself but WoG literally heals for nothing even with healing hands especially in arena and you are doing zero damage when using it.
Just stop responding to The Bulk because he clearly has no idea about the class he just hangs out on ret paladin forums because he’s butthurt about something a ret did to him. Either that or like you said hes stuck in WoW circa 2005 where the game was entirely different.
Bottom line is, they really hurt Ret this last patch and a lot of it was unwarranted. Blizz lied when they said they wanted to improve sustained damage while mitigating burst because they actually nerfed both and we got nothing in return but meaningless buffs to meaningless abilities. The class needs a rework because the talent tree is horrendous and the way the class is made to play feels horrendous and anybody with any experience would tell you this. I’m glad they nerfed the one shot because everyone was crying about it but Ret’s need love in other areas to make up for the massive amount of damage lost…
Something I’ve talked about several times, with saying unnerf mana bars from the other hybrids and unnerfed hybrid off healing, as this has been hurting all hybrids not just ret.
And removing a lot of the dps healing, as it’s insane that rogues and warrior ever got healing in the first place, not to mention the healing from locks.
I have higher arena xp as a ret paladin than over half of you who ad hominem and strawman me. I even have more pve xp as a ret, so you can’t even use that.
This is the arena forums
crusader strike doesnt seem to be boosted-- its still hitting realy low-- 6k to 8k with high crits of 16kish.
reckoning was hitting really, really low 2 days ago-- this morning it looks ok.
i have a feeleing that using divine storm over any of the other 3hp spenders is jsut as good, if not better as it provides more cleave and seems to hit only slightly lower than any version of verdict.
both dps warriors heal and or shield from damage well and have a much higher dps output that ret right now.
I was ok with the 1 shot because that all we had.
now we have very mediocre dps, toned down healing, and terra cota armor that looks like plate, but is the same as cloth.
Here is my opinion of that.
i agree
i dont like the fact that warriors have really good heals. I thought that arms is right where they should have been before 10.0.5-- very ret like-- high damage, but low survivability.
rogues heals are so so-- mostly sub with soothing, but outlaw is ultra watered down from SL and is no longer a stealth tank with very, very short cds like sl.
Rets are awful now… You do like half someone HP with your full burst now, and it’s a 2 min cd.
Divine toll and reckoning without wings do like 25% of someone’s HP and RD hits for like nothing now,
You also do way less consistent damage outside wings now, and mini wings never procs anymore.
Warriors do more damage, more healing, more burst, more molbility and have a mortal strike
Might as well just reroll DH or warrior. Class went from B+ to F tier, easily worst class in the game right now
boys i did it i done did it
commend me as the holiest most retribution paladin since turalyon and Uther HIMSELF.
YOU HAVE BEEN BLESSED
I just can’t get over this line.
Deserved tbh