Holly Longdale - New Executive Producer of WoW

[Narerli-elune]

enough of this you have no way of knowing

[Tylorastrin-fizzcrank]

@Byniri-zangarmarsh

Honestly the fact that Dragonflight LACKS the complicated and alt-hindering systems that BFA and Shadowlands had gives me hope that it’ll be good.

It lacks everything else too so dont get your hopes up

[Sixenn-moon-guard]

@Byniri-zangarmarsh

gives me hope that it’ll be good.

I don’t think it will be. Maintenance seems more the likely route now, until Microsoft is firmly in charge. Then what? Do they dump a ton of money into an old and tired game? Maintain it? Or just shut it down entirely?

Do they get rid of the entire Dev team? That’s what I want to see, spend some of Bill’s F’U money and make the whole thing over from scratch. With our mount collections staying intact, of course.

[Teksuo-grizzly-hills]

its okay elon will buy microsoft as a wink to billgates just for fun and then compete with his buddy jeff for an epic blizzard vs amazonians war.

the gaming industry will benefit from this tremendously.

this is fantasy and not real

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Khronys-aerie-peak

No. She’s female and experienced.

Bizarre response for sure.

[Dremin-sargeras (Dremin)]

I think that’s all going to depend. I believe the CEO of Microsoft (or someone higher up if it wasn’t the CEO) already stated he wants to make WoW big again, but there’s no details as to what that really means. It could mean sequel or complete overhaul. It could just mean putting it on consoles and gamepass.

[Jotull-argent-dawn]

She is a good choice to handle a aging game with a thinning population…

I don’t see the problem.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Viseriôn-illidan

She is the previous Executive Producer at Daybreak Games, for Everquest and Everquest 2.

Games that have been in maintenance mode for over a decade.

And games that are putting out yearly content and staying in the green. Let’s not forget that little detail

[Sentenzà-illidan]

@Meriweather-thunderlord

they solved the problem

Ah yes, my favorite solution, we don’t have enough flour for two days of bread so we’re going to give you half a day’s ration today and half a day’s ration tomorrow, and you get sawdust for the rest of your meal.

The bread should either be made to last multiple days (more calories in our bread) or we should get bread more often.

@Meriweather-thunderlord

This rotation is a direct answer to player requests on two fronts. And y’all are complaining about it. I do not understand our community, sometimes.

“I’m hungry” is not answered adequately with “just accept eating less food”.

How many dungeons did BC or Legion have? Why should we be okay with getting 4 in 10.0 and 4 in 10.1? Answer: we shouldn’t.

[Jotull-argent-dawn]

If he truly wants to make WoW great again they are going to have to at some point address the fact that they make this game only for hyper-competitive players and that is (by Ions own admission on the Asmongold interview) the smallest percentage of the player base.

No considering that Holly has taken the reigns…they are going to backburner the game, it will be like LOTRO or DAOC in a year or so…it will have it’s small base of raid or die fanatic’s…but the big games will be FFXIV AOC and ESO…I only say ESO because of the huge monetary pledge MS has already made to that particular game. They made that pledge because their cash shop already brings in tens of millions a year.

Still Blizzard has nothing to be ashamed of WoW had a good run and Blizzards mobile game are going to make MS Billions.

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

I wouldn’t read too much into it. Kind of a wild leap there.

If DF fails as hard as SL, then you can start worrying about maintenance mode.

[Dremin-sargeras (Dremin)]

A couple of other things that make ESO so lucrative is that it can bring people in free-to-play and is accessible on all platforms. I could see that being the first thing they do with WoW: free-to-play with subscription options and beefing up the store.

[Greenguy-zangarmarsh]

I’m kind of impressed that folks are still debating a thread by someone whose idea of “maintenance mode” is “games that still make enough money to justify getting content updates and expansions regularly.”

[Meriweather-thunderlord]

@Sentenzà-illidan

Why should we be okay with getting 4 in 10.0 and 4 in 10.1?

We’re not getting 4. We’re getting 8. In both.

We currently have the same 8 for two solid years. We have 8 new ones that will be available from day one that we have never done M+ in before. We have 8 brand new DF dungeons from launch that will be available in N/H/M0.

In 10.0 we have 8 M+ dungeons. In 10.1 we have 8 different M+ dungeons. That’s 16 new dungeons, and if we get 4 seasons, as per usual, there will be 24 brand new, never M+'d in before dungeons for DF.

Your hunger analogy doesn’t work.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

No, we aren’t. We’re getting 4 new DF dungeons in 10.0, and we’re getting 4 new DF dungeons in 10.1. The other 8 are glorified MoP timewalking dungeons. Unless you mean to count Legion M+ Timewalking as entirely new content.

All in all, we’re getting less stuff at release because Blizzard is holding back content to pretend it is new later, instead of actually releasing new content. We should be getting multiple new dungeons in 10.1 and instead we’re getting the dungeons we should have gotten.

Also, the DF dungeons are going to be worse than SL dungeons, because when 10.1 releases, all of the tuning improvements that went into 10.0 will be thrown out.

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Also, I consider SL to be the bare minimum. It’s certainly less than we got in Legion or BC or any other expansion. SL is not the standard, it is the lowest acceptable amount of content. Minimum viable product. And DF is dipping below that by releasing less on ship.

[Jotull-argent-dawn]

@Dremin-sargeras

A couple of other things that make ESO so lucrative is that it can bring people in free-to-play and is accessible on all platforms. I could see that being the first thing they do with WoW: free-to-play with subscription options and beefing up the store.

That won’t help though because WoW isn’t accessible like ESO is, and the current Dev mentality refuses to change that paradigm …a good video to watch is Asmongolds reaction to “Why Blizzard hates casuals.” I mean Ion said in Ion’s interveiw that yeah their main player base was non-raiders but he refused to say that they were starting to make more content for them.

I knew that ESO was in for big things when their top cinematic people at Bethesda made the upcoming expansion movie…compared to the cringe of the How to train your Dragon cinematic you can tell I think that MS has a different plan for Blizzards IP.

Hey I could be wrong…Microsoft could announce a new design philosophy for WoW then announce a Diablo MMO…but we both know the likelihood of that happening.

But to me WoW has it’s place just as it is today and it’s an important place…it keeps the cancerous jerkwads out of ESO.

May it forever do so.

[Meriweather-thunderlord]

@Sentenzà-illidan

We’re getting 4 new DF dungeons in 10.0, and we’re getting 4 new DF dungeons in 10.1.

ALL 8 DF DUNGEONS are being given in N/H/M0 difficulties in 10.0.

It is ONLY in M+ that we have 4 of the new and 4 from older expansions (that we have never been able to use for M+ before) per season.

[Maryanne-lightnings-blade]

If someone wants to see true maintenance mode, look at what they did to my favorite moba hots. There’s less than 10 devs working on that game and there’s never any new content. Blizz does the minimum with WoW but it is in no way in maintenance mode.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

Time will tell. If they put in the elbow grease and make the MoP dungeons actually feel like more than glorified timewalking content, if they make them feel like fresh 2023 content, then I’ll eat my words. Until then, I’m very skeptical.

[Dremin-sargeras (Dremin)]

I absolutely love that I can go months without playing, then hop on ESO and play it like a glorified Skyrim. There’s no convoluted systems and grindy catch-ups. I can just go explore.