Holding people accountable in 2019

[Morehwine-wyrmrest-accord (Morehwine)]

This is the problem with the current trend of holding people accountable in 2019. It is not monitored by humans first. It is automated and can be weaponized.

Exceptions to the rules currently exist in forum moderation for Classic, which is what I was specifically talking about.

[Ðavyjones-tichondrius]

I know. But you said it would need to be closely monitored…

That is unlikely to happen.

Because we can just click report and flag things…

[Morehwine-wyrmrest-accord (Morehwine)]

They seem to be doing that now with mentions of pservers. They’ll remove anything that appears to be advertising them. I’ve seen quite a few of those kind of posts disappear pretty quickly. However, we can talk about pservers in a general manner quite freely.

That is what I was talking about.

[Ogimirak-medivh]

It’s still targeted harassment, which is why Blizzard doesn’t like it.

Report it and move on with your life.

Report it to the server and move on?

[Ogimirak-medivh]

I remember in vanilla, whole call out posts. Explaining a persons actions w/screen shots of the encounter and the rare FRAPS video of it going down. Usually a person who abused their role as ML took what they wanted and bounced.

By definition, making a post about somebody isnt doxxing (revealing personal/identity information) but it IS for some reason against blizzards TOS as harassment… Now. Im sure we can move around blizzards TOS by just posting screen shots and saying “this is a sad day in the guild”

And while not specifically calling a single person out, by name, inside of the thread it should be able to work around TOS. We will see once we get our own server forums and things to peruse… But ninja looting will not be tolerated by me or my guild.

Provide screen shots and its an instant Gkick on first offense and blacklisted to other higher end raiding guilds that the officers will contact once they establish themselves on servers etc

What’s going to happen is that guild leaders are going to talk to each other in-game.

I had a guy app to our guild once in TBC after he had just left a different guild. I whispered the GL of that guild and he told me the guy was kicked for ninja-looting in a dungeon pug.

So I rejected the guy’s application.

That was the only time an issue like that occurred, but don’t pretend that GLs won’t talk to each other.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Nothing saying you cant do it in game.

EULA 1.C.xi.2.

Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.

I think it’d be hard to claim you’re not intending to unreasonably undermine someone’s experience by doxxing them in game.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

I had a guy app to our guild once in TBC after he had just left a different guild. I whispered the GL of that guild and he told me the guy was kicked for ninja-looting in a dungeon pug.

We used to always check WarcraftRealms for their guild history and check with a few of them why the person left.

[Ogimirak-medivh]

Nothing saying you cant do it in game.

EULA 1.C.xi.2.

Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.

I think it’d be hard to claim you’re not intending to unreasonably undermine someone’s experience by doxxing them in game.

No one is getting doxxed. Quit hyperventilating about simply pointing out anti-social player behavior.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Quit hyperventilating about simply pointing out anti-social player behavior.

Uh, I was specifically responding to:

doxxing is only against the FORUMS rules. Nothing saying you cant do it in game.

Literally someone suggesting doxxing is appropriate. Quit attempting to push your agenda on every response.

[Theodras-stormrage]

Just right click report and move on. (forum hemorrhage in 3 … 2 … )

[Fesz-cenarius]

BoE epics or really any high value BoE is all need, cause I dont care if that epic is your BiS if that thing is worth 1k its an upgrade for everyone.

IMO, as long as that rule is set before the run, go for it.

IMO, if you do not set that rule before the run, then be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions.

[Curt-gurubashi (Curt)]

In today’s snowflake culture you would be considered a harasser.

Which is why blizzard needs to leave out of enforcing arbitrary harassment policies and let people learn to get along on their own.

On pservers there are 0 enforcement and also 0 people whining about it because there is no reward for whining.

[Saqe-scarlet-crusade]

Pretty sure the “don’t call out people” rule has been around since Vanilla.

Susan, is that really you? Can you and your susanexpress help us out with some quick gold soon?

[Susan-maiev]

Got some fresh Sexleg™ right here.

[Fesz-cenarius]

That is what both GMs(multiple sources including myself) and support website said they would do.

HOWEVER i cannot stress this enough you have to mention how the winner of the loot is determined(say highest roll wins, prob best to mention roll 1-100 too)
because I have seen multiple GMs who are like the rules didnt say how the winner is determined.

And if it seems like I am being a broken record its because I want it to become common practice in classic that the loot rules are complete enough that GMs can intervene when they are broken.

Am I mistaken or did Blizzard not say they would not intervene in loot disputes, even in 5 man dungeons where loot trading will not be enabled?

[Twiinkedd-moon-guard]

Every time someone says ninja all I can think of is

[Astrius-dalaran]

If Blizzard cannot reverse the “ninja” action, then it’s not a ninja loot and you may as well be calling out yourself for your enabling behavior

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Short question: Will current anti-harassment policies prevent ninjas from being called out on server forums?

Short answer: Yes.

[Kelzar-agamaggan (Kelzar)]

Loot disputes and loot scams are different.

[Mightylink-shadowsong (Mightylink)]

My guild used master loot, I never had this problem. Just make sure your guild has a fair loot council, the master looter generally asks everyone to type /roll then they inspect the winner to make sure they can use that item. If your guild is playing favorites then your in the wrong guild…