High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

Did I mention any of those two races while I made the comment? Cause me thinks I DID NOT.

Some Helfers on the other hand have takes regarding the unplayable Helves as their very pet race indeed (OP Mary Sues / Gary Stus with not even a inch depth in characterization apart from being “right” for the lols of it -oh, and total devotion to Human Potential too-). And those were the people I was talking about back there.

Feel free to disagree if you want but we both know individuals as such DO exist in your fandom, dude. Fortunately they´re just a loud minority.

Man, Veeresa in the novels was 100% understanding on the Belves and their ideology -to the point she admits she probably would had become one of them cause addiction hit her particularly bad-, and the only thing needed to make her an outstanding Belf hater was NOT Belves allying themselves with the Horde; it was her cousin kidnapping her children.

Her very “mature” response to her rogue cousin becoming an insane a-hole was to blame the whole of the Belf society for it… ergo my comment over “teenage rebellion”. Cause the Horde had NOTHING to do with Veeresa and her minions hating on the Belves by starters (heck, it isn´t even used in Lor´s short story as a justification for Veeresa´s dislike of Aethas); the idea the SC became anti-Belf thanks to Belves rolling Horde was an idea used post ToW content material in the game and the novels.

Heck, her “apparent hate” of the Horde is so “genuine” she was totes fine with joining the Horde affiliated Forsaken in War Crimes if this guaranteed her personal vendetta. And sorry but an individual willing to sacrifice her supposed political and cultural stance for revenge certainly doesn´t truly believe in those political and cultural principles for reals.

The problem man is that the introduction of that particular Helf group -the SC- as a response for Quel´thalas going Horde was never properly explained nor much less executed in the game. Heck, it´s incoherent AF when we consider them SC Helves never did anything to help Quel´thalas for 5 whole years -in which Quel´Thalas and the Belves weren´t Horde- but were too trigger happy to QQ and complain when Horde actually helped. So tell me, which kind of prejudiced a-hole ignores for years the plight of the people he/she supposedly worries and cares about but suddenly jumps to outright dislike and hate when those people finally end up getting help from former enemies because literally nobody else gave a f***, hmmm?

I repeat: the problem with the SC was that they weren´t introduced to the game as the staunch “we became anti-Belf because we´re anti-Orc” Helf group; is that they were portrayed as “we became anti-Belf because our lady and saviour Veeresa became so for lul reasons”.

I have no terribly issues with Alleria and the Allerian Stroghold Helves and any other Helf group in-game being heavily anti-Orc and anti-Horde precisely because this was part from their characterization since their very introduction into the game. The problem is unique regarding the SC cause they got 0 nuance with their portrayal.

No, I see that too.

I was just spreading the word. I’ve personal experience being actioned on before similarly…

I assure you, while you’re particular Edit will likely amount to no action even if people flag it, the mods have acted on similar edits within the past year.

This was not meant as a complaint, just to let you know.

Uhm… No.

Gul’dan is nothing but an egotistical madman desiring his power and nothing else.

No one needs a leader who doesn’t give a bucket of poop.

Yeah I know, late, week’s been tough but I still wanted to address this:

How do they have a “rebel” appeal when they are the ones doing the exact same thing HE have been doing since they first set foot on Tirisfal Glades: Sticking with the humans out of convenience?

That was a tradition until Anasterian took over and he started to renovate things, and even then, he felt forced to give them one last favor while HEs became more leaning towards isolationism.

Blood elves were the ones that finally started seeing that allying with humans was detrimental to them.

And even within the bigger picture of general fantasy, high elves appear as the most basic, run of the mill elves, while blood elves are the ones breaking that stereotype.

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Wait by this part then the High Elves would be the rebels as the rest (In fact the majority) moved away from aiding the Humans and the Alliance.

Don’t get me wrong I too find them immensely boring compared to what Blood elves are/were. They’re just mundane elves from standard fantasy settings.

Void Elves bring a lot to the table which is why I like them so much.

Also I wish I could show off this toon… when will her picture show!

(Fenelon)

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Granted, context matters but, in my eyes, is as if I were to settle down at a young age, become a housewife and stay in the house doing nothing but having babies. No one would call me a rebel for doing something my grandmother did 50-60 years ago (math is hard ok), and rightfully so.

Now, void elves took the breaking of the mold that blood elves started to the next level, yes.

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Post BC, blood elves are pretty much the picture of generic fantasy elf stereotype, aside from the fact that they’re on the Horde.

I’m not saying high elves aren’t either. Actually I’m not saying anything about high elves, because they have such little development imo.

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They have been dulled quite a bit.

But at least they’re still allied with orcs and trolls.

Imagine if blizzard leaned into the blood golems they got in Pandaria, or leaned back into their more survival at any cost aspects again…

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I too saw a glimmer of hope when they got their hands on the blood golems.

A shame all we’ve seen of them since MoP was a few standing idly around during WoD :frowning:

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It’s a shame Blizzard does pretty much nothing with this. They’re just kind of… there.

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Random scenario conjured by my sleep deprived brain attempting to run on caffeine…

But what if…

Now that the Horde is mainly lead by Alliance figureheads, blood elves and goblins, the last two races within the Horde that are lead by people loyal to the people they lead, banded together and were the spearhead of a revolution brought forth by those figureheads going crazy?

It would be a nice chance to have Alliance loyal characters trying to destroy the Horde from within, and the blood golems could be used.

…but that would require blizz caring…

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It’s a nice idea, and could be an interesting plot.

Then again, after so many rounds of musical Warchief, do you really want to start musical council?

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Hey if it means kicking out Alliance figureheads, I say let the musical chairs game go on.

Specially Calia, please get rid of Calia.

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Relevant picture of Baine.
http://doubledair.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/knowm-alliance.png

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Sighs in orcish (It’s the Horde’s official leguage after all.)

Why hasn’t the Horde tattoos on his shoulder been replaced by Alliance ones yet, it’s a real mistery. One would think Anduin would want his mat branded properly by now.

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Aha! Its working now. My new Silver Covenant Character.

Fenelon alt again.

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Also as a counter point I have Jesri here who is just fully a Void Elf.

And Fenelon of course WAS a High Elf and former SC member who became a Void Elf. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I am not fighting my own race a third time. If orcs get villain batted again I am quitting.

Not for no elf warchief.

Human lover or not, Thrall is and will always be the Warchief to me.

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Maybe the beating that would ensue would shake up his brain and remind him that his people should come first, as a sort of a redemption arc.

Baine and Calia have to go, though.

If that means a third civil war, I’d take it. And hopefully this time Thrall won’t leave his people to starve this time afterwards.

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