High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

[Somand-proudmoore]

If you have herbalism, you’ll enjoy being able to blink to herbs. Use Soulshape when roughly 15 yards from an herb, grab the herb (with a Shadowlands Gathering enchant on your gloves), then by the time you’re done picking it up, GCD is done and you can go back into Travel Form. Only for use out of combat.

[Avarie-farstriders]

I want to do something in game but I’m not sure what. I need to do dishes soon and start on dinner though.

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Somand-proudmoore

The Silver Covenant was formed to oppose the blood elves having a place in Dalaran.

Indeed, and the grounds for this opposition are firmly rooted in the fact that Dalaran had traditionally been exclusively Alliance-aligned.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

@Sibbja-sargeras

I’ve not once disputed any of that. The SC was behaving scornfully and maliciously, to be sure, but fully within the limits of the law at that moment.

Right, so I guess its just entirely a coincidence that all these horrific murders occurred in the sewers, where crime and murder runs rampant in secrecy. I think everyone knows otherwise, but if closing your eyes and covering your ears makes you feel better than have at it.

[Midare-area-52 (Midare)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

Indeed, and the grounds for this opposition are firmly rooted in the fact that Dalaran had traditionally been exclusively Alliance-aligned.

Now you’re ignoring the fact that that is was Dalaran that asked for their help against the Blue Dragonflight, nice.

EDIT: I’m looking forward to see the hoops you will jump through to try to twist this one.

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Right, so I guess its just entirely a coincidence that all these horrific murders occurred in the sewers, where crime and murder runs rampant in secrecy. I think everyone knows otherwise, but if closing your ears and covering your ears makes you feel better than have at it.

The majority of the questionable exchanges occur topside, so you’re effectively attempting to mischaracterize the event as something that was undertaken in secret – with neither Jaina nor the Kirin Tor being cognizant of what was actually happening.

This is a headcanon.

@Midare-area-52

Now you’re ignoring the fact that that is was Dalaran that asked for their help against the Blue Dragonflight, nice.

I’m not ignoring it, it doesn’t matter. That valueless insight of yours…

[Somand-proudmoore]

Alright, so then you can say they formed to uphold tradition in a way. As far as I know though, there was no law forbidding blood elves from joining the city.

They weren’t formed to uphold it’s laws, they were formed to oppose blood elves.

[Sibbja-sargeras]

@Somand-proudmoore

As far as I know though, there was no law forbidding blood elves from joining the city.

There wasn’t, until Jaina Proudmoore (AKA “The Law”) stated otherwise.

@Somand-proudmoore

They weren’t formed to uphold it’s laws, they were formed to oppose blood elves.

They were formed to oppose the Blood Elves being admitted into the Kirin Tor, and therefore to promote the traditional values of Dalaran as an exclusively Alliance-aligned city-state, not to simply oppose Blood Elves generally – you’re beginning to sound like Reno, building the Silver Covenant up as boogeymen in your head.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

It’s that simple, seize powers beyond what your position might actually entail, and any crazy lawless action becomes that law

[Avarie-farstriders]

Jaina was a member of a ruling council, not the entirety of the council.

[Somand-proudmoore]

@Sibbja-sargeras

They were formed to oppose the Blood Elves being admitted into the Kirin Tor, and therefore to promote the traditional values of Dalaran as an exclusively Alliance-aligned city-state, not to simply oppose Blood Elves generally

This is upholding tradition, not law.

@Sibbja-sargeras

building the Silver Covenant up as boogeymen in your head

Did I ever say they were evil because of the way they were formed?

@Sibbja-sargeras

There wasn’t, until Jaina Proudmoore (AKA “The Law”) stated otherwise.

I’m not arguing the legality of the Purge, so this doesn’t matter to the point I made. I was responding to a point about their foundation, not the Purge.

[Magnificent-wyrmrest-accord]

@Sibbja-sargeras

The entire discussion spawned from Reno’s assertion that the Silver Covenant’s entire purpose for existence it to maim and/or murder Blood Elves; I countered that their purpose is to uphold the laws and traditions of Dalaran – whether their methodology was/wasn’t morally tolerable is something you (and those similarly incapable of discerning between morality and legality) have continuously injected into the discussion (for reasons unknown, because they’re irrelevant).

i actually agree with your interpretations. the purge was largely an attack on civilians and the grey area stuff isnt even performed by the SC. vereesa gives the morally ambiguous tasks to the player. ‘feeding people to sharks’ is really the only possible sole act of murderous intent a SC member can be seen performing. everything else is fighting back against civilians resisting and the shark scene is magnified because its the only example. except as you said earlier it appears to be an interrogation and the dangling is an intimidation act, the sunreaver doesnt even get dropped until a horde player surprises him by attacking. they were given an order by the leader of the kirin tor and carried it out. its also worth noting vereesa was still blaming magister types for the mana bomb that killed her husband, but that anger switched to garrosh in the war crimes novel

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Magnificent-wyrmrest-accord

really the only possible sole act of murderous intent a SC member can be seen performing. everything else is fighting back against civilians resisting

Wow.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

@Sibbja-sargeras

The majority of the questionable exchanges occur topside, so you’re effectively attempting to mischaracterize the event as something that was undertaken in secret

From the Silver Covenant? The only “questionable” occurrences from the SC happened in the sewers, unless you can list other cruel instances that would parallel feeding Sunreavers to sharks, or drowning them in the water.

[Midare-area-52 (Midare)]

@Sibbja-sargeras

I’m not ignoring it, it doesn’t matter.

You really got no shame to even contradict yourself in such a short sentence.

@Sibbja-sargeras

That valueless insight of yours…

That projection, though…

@Somand-proudmoore

This is upholding tradition, not law.

Me thinks he’s moving the goalpost yet again.

Actually no, scratch that, he’s been moving the goalpost since at first, it was about morality, then, it was about legality, and now, it’s about tradition.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

I keep seeing moving the goal post comments actuations or not being satisfied no matter what they do being thrown around, but really they never delivered what was asked for, A Alliance High Elf we see in the game, not some AR race compromise to appease the Alliance High Elf Fans, just give what is asked for once, be honest and deliver Devs,

[Grabbag-barthilas]

Christ, are we still doing this? Jaina and the Silver Covenant are war criminals no better than Sylvanas or Garrosh, move on.

[Midare-area-52 (Midare)]

“B-but, they need to lean in to their bitterness!”

“Also, let me tell you in 100 different ways why what they did is totally justifed and not that bad, really.”

[Kirela-arygos (Kirela)]

But it doesnt help the horde!

[Midare-area-52 (Midare)]

@Valarían-hydraxis

I keep seeing moving the goal post comments actuations or not being satisfied no matter what they do being thrown around, but really they never delivered what was asked for, A Alliance High Elf we see in the game, not some AR race compromise to appease the Alliance High Elf Fans, just give what is asked for once, be honest and deliver Devs,

How are you equating one argument with getting what you want it’s beyond me but that aside.

You already got two options, the tooltip is not a big deal.