High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

Why am I arguing with someone who is really edgy and bitter?

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Believe me, I ask myself that all the time. No one side has a monopoly on those traits.

[Dorp-emerald-dream]

@Itoldyouso-illidan

In what way are they being disregarded Dorp?

Stop forgetting what you just said

“You need to be specific then, because unlike blood elves, there is no majority alliance high elves.”

To which I responded

“Just because blood elves are the majority does not mean we have to disregard high elves.”

To elaborate, high elves having a much smaller population than blood elves does not make them a less valid choice to be requested.

They’re not being disregarded, I’m telling you that saying “but blood elves” does not change the fact that high elves are deserving of attention.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

The issue that faces the high elves is nothing lore wise. The issues that they face is from a design perspective. Lore can justify anything, it is lore.

Cool, so lore wise they’re okay? For design, people have suggested them using a model similar to night elves.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

We’ll just go in circles, and again, lore does not mean anything. It never did.

Except it does? Which is why dwarves aren’t being swapped into the horde, because lorewise they’re alliance.

Lore is crucial actually. And in the high elves’ case, it’s pretty much why people even want to play them.
If lore wasn’t there, there’d be no reason for factions to exist.
If high elves (that aren’t blood elves, that are alliance) were non-existent, no one would be making this request.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

I don’t recall being the user who feels a need to use caps and large text and saying “ENOUGH!” when stressed. <_<

@Dorp-emerald-dream

To elaborate, high elves having a much smaller population than blood elves does not make them a less valid choice to be requested.

I never brought up population. So this is just you making things up.

@Dorp-emerald-dream

They’re not being disregarded, I’m telling you that saying “but blood elves” does not change the fact that high elves are deserving of attention

But blood elves, certainly does make them less deserving. Same design. Doesn’t bare repeating it.

@Dorp-emerald-dream

Cool, so lore wise they’re okay? For design, people have suggested them using a model similar to night elves.

I honestly don’t care about lore and no one should either.
In terms of design?
Nope.
They’re still the same race as blood elves, which means you’d be locking horde players out of a design which that race should have. Not a good decision design wise.

@Dorp-emerald-dream

Except it does

It doesnt

@Dorp-emerald-dream

Which is why dwarves aren’t being swapped into the horde, because lorewise they’re alliance.

Design wise they are on team blue. So all dwarves go to team Blue by design.

@Dorp-emerald-dream

Lore is crucial actually

Nope.
It is crucial to WHY you want them. It means nothing in making them available.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Then you’d be fine with void elves, but you aren’t.

Because they aren’t High Elves. They are Blood Elves.

That is the lore.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

For people being all about lore, you really want new design fr it,

Because it doesn’t go against the lore for different groups of people to stand Diferen’t, have a Different Build, get different Haircuts or have different complections.

I guess that means you are against all the new shadowlands customization options. Since they aren’t in the lore.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

when lore can just be a sentence of “and high elves were converted to void elves.”.

Except that’s not the lore and why this became a major issue.

No one cared much until we learned that Void Elves are just Blood Elves.

It’s time you accept that not everyone treats their characters barbie dolls. People like backstory and themes. Those can be the most important things to some people.

Accept that and move on. Someone getting a slightly similar doll to you isn’t going to destroy your gameplay.

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

No, instead, your just like Tarrok and Murg, using claims to cause unrest on the forums…

“You just go ahead and call everyone trolls”
“Oh, you’re just the same as every other pro thinking Anti’s are selfish jerks”

[Avarie-farstriders]

I’ll try to be less edgy and bitter. I’ll probably fail though.

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

Festival of the Farstriders: Thank you

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FESTIVAL OF THE FARSTRIDERS

this seems appropriate to bring up as its a high elf thread. my home server wyrmrest accord has an upcoming rp event revolving around the farstriders! save the date rpers!

ill be attending on my hunter ofc

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[Saraslam-frostmourne]

But your not even edgy and bitter though

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

@Drede-cairne

Because they aren’t High Elves. They are Blood Elves.

That is just the lore.

Who have the same history, except void elves are blood elves who not only came to the defense of their people, but did not wish to ally with the Horde.
So unlike high elves, they actually did something for their race.

@Drede-cairne

Because it doesn’t go against the lore for different groups of people to stand Diferen’t, have a Different Build, get different Haircuts or have different complections.

Except high elves and blood elves are the same group of people just with different political views. So suggesting ethnic differences is not only lore breaking, but also design breaking as well. Lore clearly does not matter to you if you’re making this argument.

@Drede-cairne

I guess that means you are against all the new shadowlands customization options. Since they aren’t in the lore.

I am fine with it, because there is no lore arguing they would be different due to politics…which is what you are arguing.
“I chose to be alliance and that’s why I am tan!”

@Drede-cairne

Except that’s not the lore and why this became a major issue.

Except it could be, but you don’t want it to be.
You don’t want the high elf lore even though it is easier to write it in than it is to use an entire race slot for them..
It simply does not fit with what you see a high elf being, which is a blood elf with blue eyes.

@Drede-cairne

Those can be the most important things to some people.

Sorry, some people do not get greater priority than all.

@Drede-cairne

Accept that and move on. Someone getting a slightly similar doll to you isn’t going to destroy your gameplay.

I would disagree. It breaks my gameplay because for some reason, you can have accessto what I have, and more, without having to have choice matter.
It also breaks lore, because suddenly, despite being the same race lore wise,I don’t have the same build/skin options as the other group.

Lore doesn’t matter to you.
Design doesn’t matter to you.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Have you seen my posts about Teldrassil?

The anger is very very real, as is the bitterness left from the devs letting the horde slide combined with the very real possibility that the horrible banshee and her self insert boytoy will benefit from an undeserved redemption arc.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

@Saraslam-frostmourne

No, instead, your just like Tarrok and Murg, using claims to cause unrest on the forums…

Did you not just claim me to be edgy and bitter?
It is rather hypocritical of you to make such a claim.
For saying Tarrok and Murg are wrong to make such statements, you’re proving them right by acting in such a manner towardsothers.

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

Losing your home is anger. You’re a Night Elf, not a Jedi. You have a reason, not an excuse.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

I find it disappointing the Horde didn’t have any choice, and that they pretty much obeyed Sylvanist all the way until 8.2.
Civil war from the get go would have been better.
The alliane could have conflict as well over the alliance’s failure to aid the night elves.

Me? I like trees. Can we stop blowing em up?

[Avarie-farstriders]

I would still be able to play my horde characters without feeling nothing but disgust if I had the choice to defect the moment she said burn it.

Hell, even before then. My toons never liked that witch anyway.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

I like to imagine the story simply involves an adventurer, and that not all characters are necessarily involved.
I cannot see a BEDK saying “yeah, genocide against a race is just fine. Not like I fought against it.”

[Cassima-greymane (Cassima)]

I might have actually been convinced not to swear off playing Horde after Legion, if that had been the case.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

BFA had a lot of opportunity that was not utilized effectively.
WoW expansions generally do best story wise, when its not focused on faction conflict but focuses, instead, on the internal issues they face.
Teldrassil could still burn, but at that point, Horde players could have a choice to remain loyal or go off in a different direction.
The alliance could have internal conflict AFTER the event, where the night elves (temporarily) split off to do their own thing, and players choose to follow them or not.

The problem i that this requires development time to create 4 different quest lines, and Blizzard is in a rush to put content out. It is what they re known for being able to do.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Who have the same history, except void elves are blood elves who not only came to the defense of their people, but did not wish to ally with the Horde.
So unlike high elves, they actually did something for their race.

That just divides the High Elves and Blood Elves even more.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Except high elves and blood elves are the same group of people just with different political views. So suggesting ethnic differences is not only lore breaking, but also design breaking as well. Lore clearly does not matter to you if you’re making this argument.

Who said ethnic? Not like you need different genes to get a tan.

They have been separated for around 30 years. Massive differences can in that time.

Plus we have examples of a Dark Skinned High Elf only shown in Dalaran.

Devi

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Except it could be, but you don’t want it to be.
You don’t want the high elf lore even though it is easier to write it in than it is to use an entire race slot for them. .

Because they are nothing alike now and mixing them would just ruin Void Elves and High Elves.

Void Elves aren’t a race in beta they already have a them, origen, and story. Even if they are under utilized

@Itoldyouso-illidan

I would disagree. It breaks my gameplay because for some reason, you can have accessto what I have, and more, without having to have choice matter.

I would have something you don’t have but slightly similar.

It had zero effect on your gameplay at all.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

It also breaks lore, because suddenly, despite being the same race lore wise,I don’t have the same build/skin options as the other group.

You don’t need a different race to have different Builds/Haircuts/Skin & Hair/Colors/Stances.

High Elves already have different Hair/Skin/Eye color options. So adding more would not affect anything.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Lore doesn’t matter to you.

If it didn’t I wouldn’t be asking for High Elves lol

Also you just said

@Itoldyouso-illidan

ITT: Sara pretends lore matters to game design.

Hint: It does not.

so why do you care?

Oh, it only matters when it supports your argument eah? lol

You don’t get to rant that it doesn’t matter and rant at people if you think they don’t care about it. Pick a stance.

I care about the lore and want this group specific to the lore to be playable.

You’re just getting made because they are slightly similar.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

Design doesn’t matter to you.

In what world is this a thing? I’m talking about expanding on existing stuff to add to the game. I’m not taking anything away from anyone else or alter what they have in any way.

You would have a far better time actually reading what people say instead of telling them what their arguments are and what they care about.

[Archmage-azralon (Archmage)]

@Itoldyouso-illidan

“Don’t come here unless you agree” is toxic bud.
Doesn’t matter the number of threads.

Yeah, but constantly saying the same thing over and over again with the only purpose to make others upset is toxic as well, you have other threads to vent your hatred. For not leaving some room for others to breathe some positivity, you show that your actions are not only toxic but selfish as well.

The endless oppression on High Elf fans needs to stop.