Because the Blood Elves LOST THEIR FAITH IN THE LIGHT.
For a while. They had to rely on another source.
SOME have recovered their faith (Liadrin), but thatâs not a guarantee.
Primarily, their power is from the Sunwell.
High Elves? Faith.
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Blood elves originally got their power from torturing what is essentially an angelic being after they lost faith in the light. Now they get their power from sunjuice there isnât really anything to say that the light has returned to them outside of being battery powered by the sunwell. High elves who never lost faith in the light didnât have the issues blood elves did.
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Their faith in the light has no bearing on their connection to the Sunwell? If anything faith in the light brings the already existing connection to be stronger.
No it doesnât. They wielded the light just fine while thinking it was crap and faith was crap and vamped on a Naaru. They wielded it just fine by being empowered heavily by the Sunwell.
Faith no longer required for Blood Elves (although some, like Liadrin, who were former priests, have recovered their faith).
They learned the Holy Light from their connection to Humanity.
This is in the lore, donât take my word for it. Read it for yourself.
So, yeah, high elves relying on Faith more so than the Sunwell, is just fine.
They donât HAVE to be so heavily empowered by the Sunwell. Only the ones without Faith require that intense connection that is more than most Elves.
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They donât need to rely more on their faith than the Sunwell. Their connection to the light is what would strengthen their connection to the Sunwell.
One canât say it makes sense the Sunwell is more holy oriented, thus making sense for no blue eyed blood elves.
Then also say well the most holy oriented class, despite the fact that all thalassians have a connection the sunwell, is very minor and the sunwell doesnât effect them.
I donât fully understand your reply.
The Blood Elf Blood Knights do not require faith, their power is primarily from the Sunwell. And that is on purpose. That is how they access the Light.
The High Elf Paladins are more in line with the Human and Dwarf Paladins, based on faith. Unlike the Blood Knights, the High Elves didnât necessarily lose their faith. They donât HAVE TO HAVE the intense Sunwell connection a Blood Knight has in order to access the Light.
They can operate at whatever the ânormalâ level is for a Thalassian elf.
Being such a holy oriented class or not â the connection to the Sunwell only needs to be played up if they lack faith.
If they DO NOT lack faith, then the connection doesnât need to be played up more so or less so than any other Thalassian elf.
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So youâre saying BE Paladins lack faith and thatâs why they have a more intense connection to the Sunwell?
I would argue itâs because of their intense holy affiliation that the stronger connection is just what it is because the Sunwell would just actively have a stronger connection to them.
Itâs not about argument.
Just read the lore.
Seriously, just read the lore on this. Itâs available online.
The Sunwell doesnât necessarily have a stronger connection to them just because they are Paladins. Itâs stronger connection is on purpose, itâs how they (Blood Knights) chose to access the light. The Blood Knights rejected the regular Church of Light teachings that they had learned from the Humans. Some recovered their faith afterwards, but itâs no guarantee they all did.
The High Elf Paladins, on the other hand, never lost their faith. They never needed to rely on another source of power (unlike the Blood Knights). Simple as that.
Be of mind, High Elf Paladins existed before the Quelâthalas invaison by the Scourge.
Which means back when the Sunwell was a giant font of Arcane energyâŚthere were still High Elf Paladins.
When there was NO SunwellâŚthere were still High Elf Paladins (but no Blood Elf onesâŚthey became Blood Knights and vamped on a Naaru).
The Sunwell is a uniquely post-TBC thing. The Blood Elves became empowered by it at the end of TBC going forward.
That doesnât mean the High Elf Paladins did as well nor needed to, regardless of the fact the new sunwell has Holy energy in it (in any percentage).
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They donât get to choose their connection to the Sunwell is the point.
And paladins have already been said to be those most infused with it, as to why many thought Golden eyes made sense on them and people disliked the idea of Warlocks / other non holy oriented classes having access to them, turns out they simply made sense to manifest them first.
High Elves may not be Blood Elves but they donât pick and choose their connection level to the Sunwell do they?
I also find it odd my opinion on HEâs having access to basically the most popular classes, Druid, Shaman, and Paladin, is so attacked. Yet its crickets and silence when people blatantly invalidate the BE story on Horde.
My vote still goes to preferring Druids and Shamans over Paladins.
Be of mind, High Elf Paladins existed before the Quelâthalas invaison by the Scourge.
Which means back when the Sunwell was a giant font of Arcane energyâŚthere were still High Elf Paladins.
When there was NO SunwellâŚthere were still High Elf Paladins (but no Blood Elf onesâŚthey became Blood Knights and vamped on a Naaru).
The Sunwell is a uniquely post-TBC thing. The Blood Elves became empowered by it at the end of TBC going forward.
That doesnât mean the High Elf Paladins did as well nor needed to, regardless of the fact the new sunwell has Holy energy in it (in any percentage).
Itâs not about pickign or chosing their connection to the sunwell.
Itâs that they didnât need it beforehand, they donât need it now.
Being infused with it is a UNIQUELY BLOOD KNIGHT THING â the BLOOD ELVES.
As a matter of factâŚone of the lodges did get over their magic addiction. So quite possiblyâŚmaybe on that one.
Itâs so attacked because it doesnât make sense and requires too drastic a shift from their established lore.
You argue that the sunwell connection needs to be severedâŚ
but Donât seem to be accepting thatâŚthe connection is UNNECESSARY.
Paladins existed before the new Sunwell existed and had holy energy.
They existed when it had only Arcane energy.
They existed when the Sunwell was not around.
They were High Elves. They did it like the humans do â on Faith.
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The only thing I can surmise is that you are so attached to the idea of severing the connection between High Elves and the Sunwell so much, that you are okay with druids and shamans, despite the fact that Paladins can work without itâŚand have.
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Iâd like to see where it says High Elves cut their connection to the Sunwell.
I said it was a maybe. It was something in the RPG â whose lore canon admissibility is hit or miss. Sometimes accepted and expanded by the devsâŚand sometimes not.
So I am to assume HEâs can pick and choose their connection to the Sunwell as opposed to them simply being connected to it, based on you guessing it might be a âmaybeâ situation?
If HEâs donât have any choice on their connection to the Sunwell, then their paladins would be as connected to it as BEâs and Paladins are said to be very connected to the Sunwell. I donât see what difference it makes if they have faith like humans, humans arenât connected to the Sunwell.
No, and this is getting off topic.
The argument is whether or not High Elf Paladins NEED the Sunwell.
My argument is that they historically in the game have existed without it (or when it was a font of arcane energy), so therefore no.
My argument is also that it is uniquely the BLOOD KNIGHTS who empower themselves with the Sunwell so much to access the Light.
This is what I am arguing against.
The Blood Elves purposefully intensify their connection. Itâs not on faith. It is specifically BLOOD ELF PALADINS who do this.
The High Elves donât. They rely on faith.
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Lann, just because both groups are connected to the Sunwell, does not mean there stories are going to interfere with each other. It has been a made clearly in game that the story to modern High Elves are different than the story to the modern Blood Elves. (Yes, using the term, modern, because both are now seperate groups)
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I think HEâs should have access to Druids, and Shamans but not Paladins, that is perfectly on topic, the fact you feel the need to attack my opinion is actually also on topic, what is not on topic?
Druids maybe, Shamans no, Paladins are a high elf staple and probably more important to the race than even warriors.
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I agree, but then why is it every time a pro brings up taking Quelâthalas, or splitting Silvermoon, or neutral BEâs as a means to get HEâs, most people stay quiet or cheer in agreement and then go on to attack BE story as never having made sense in the first place?
So I think its just best to emphasize their differences as opposed to not.
Your opinion is not being attacked, itâs being vehemently debated.
Weâve gone in circles about whether or not Paladins are uniquely attached to the Sunwell.
I literally looked up the lore mid-debate and found out it is uniquely a Blood Knight thing to be so connected, moreso than other Blood Elves, to the Sunwell.
Itâs not a thing with the High Elves (or their Paladins).
It is an ACTIVE CHOICE to be so immersed in the Sunwell, more than normal, by Blood Elf Paladins.
The High Elf ones operate as normal â on faith.
I literally looked up the lore to be sure that the Sunwell (the original one) had no Holy energy and it was only the post-TBC Sunwell that had holy energy. I was correct, the original one didnât.
Therefore, high elf paladins, regardless of their connection to the sunwell, have had access to the Light based on faith.
Therefore, High Elf paladins can exist and NOT in anyway conflict with the BLood Elf paladin storyline or the story of the Blood Elves. (EVEN IF we move away from the Sunwell to emphasize âdifferencesâ)
There comes a point where âemphasizing the differencesâ starts disrespecting one side of this debate.
No Paladins? Druids instead (despite FAR MORE CONNECTION TO HUMANS who have Paladins and minimal connection to Night Elves?)? That does cross the line.
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Not many people have even done that.
Here, letâs ask. People who want high elves, should we get quelâthalas?
My vote is we build the lodge in the hinterlands up into a proper city.
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