Thatâs the problem with your side. Theyâre not a separate kingdom. Theyâre just refugees. They have no kingdom.
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Would you, for arguments sake, be still against them if they formed into a separate United faction choosing to remain with the Alliance? (also Iâd imagine theyâd bring in the SC. And maybe even be with the Void elves but letâs assume theyâre their own race for this.)
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My support for playable alliance high elves!
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They still just have blue eyes as the only different thing though.
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They could have a new leader at any time.
Part of the sugestion was to create a council of all remmaing high elfs and bring together all the groups scattered around the world.
This is hardly a deal breaker to the introduction of the high elfs.
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How about from a game lore/story viewpoint?
Letâs assume their model was changed to make them somewhat distinct?
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They would have to not be high elves, as we are high elves.
It just makes more sense for everyone to come home. Theyâre already allowed at the Sunwell. Second war orcs killed some of us, Alliance killed some of us, Iâd think that everyone would pick the option of isolating in Quelâthalas.
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But they seemingly donât agree with blood elven politics. Otherwise theyâd have returned earlier, and wouldnât be hostile to the horde.
Why do you think they would just return?
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Alleria wants to, but sheâs drawing the line by being loyal to literally anything else but her home nation.
The Horde was a pill to swallow, but itâs like, are they gonna hurt us? No. The Horde is the only faction that lets us keep to ourselves. And thatâs what most elves want.
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She was also recently banned from returning.
I see.
Much time has passed its not unreasonable that the high elves have simply been moving slowly back home.
Itâs also not unreasonable that others arenât due to loyalty, differences of opinion, relationships, and fear of the horde.
Then thereâs the Void Elves. Itâs clear some high and blood elves gravitate to them.
While I personally think there are enough high elves willing to serve the alliance to warrant their inclusion as an AR, I respect your opinion and the concerns of the Anti high elf community.
Has anyone considered rolling the high elves into the void elves by having a significant population of them (likely including the SC) become void elves?
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You mean like how the horde didnât recently genocide a bunch of civilians? Or about how the horde didnât drop a mana bomb on Theramore, a mana bomb blood elves made and that was used on one of the places high elves called their home?
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How?
If Blizz rolls them into Void Elves then what is the excuse for making Void Elves at all in the first place? Should have just skipped right to High Elves.
Blizz hasnât even touched how they are supposed to manufacture more Void Elves as far as I know. It was an event that was a trap where they were âchangedâ unwillingly, yeah? By void lords or whatever no less.
So Blizz concocts some silly story about making more of them. Fine. Are they just going to rip off Forsaken with this whole âI choose the void (of all things) and the crazy that comes with it for powerâ? It makes even less sense than Forsaken actually. Is that really a choice at all?
Void Elves are a mess no matter where they go.
Studying the void is a huge leap from being infected with it.
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Thatâs another can of worms, to be fair.
Iâd say itâs some pretty good reasons for high elves to not want to join the horde. My formerly loyal horde characters donât even want to be horde.
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Hasnât Lorâthemar considered leaving the Horde to join the Alliance more than once? Or was it just the once?
As far as I know just the once.
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I think it ties in nicely with how the BEâs fit in with the Horde, and have the whole for the Horde theme and fit into an EK Horde narrative nicely.
And to Avaries point Alliance HEâs already appalled at their affiliation with the Horde would continue to further divide themselves into their respective groups of ideology.
Thatâs not to say a BE wouldnât have a reason to feel dislike to their kin who take a moral high ground and never returned to help Quelâthalas. But I think the personality differences show in the cultures they have, which ties in to the lore and narratives of why people tend to love Alliance HEâs.
For me personally I would choose a BE, or a VE sometimes I flip flop this priest may become a BE again should the customization allow in the future for an undead BE look, though perhaps not I do like having 1 Alliance main and 1 Horde main. But anyways in my reasoning for my preferred choice I see why people love Alliance High Elves, and think the option should be available to them. Especially at the rate we see their inclusion, and coupled with the fact Void Elves are former BEâs not the Alliance HEâs I think the ask remains valid.
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Its still pretty telling.
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It is my understanding that Void Elves were made to be the way they are, from a gameplay standpoint, to better differentiate them from the Blood Elves. Blizzard sought to make them different and thus not just a copy and paste.
While Blizzard has not said it specifically, there are heavy implications within the Telegorous Rift. The wayfarers and scholars of the High Elves and Blood Elves you see speaking with Locus-Walker, and the trainee Void Elves working with an instructor one isle over.
There are effectively two ways to do it. Have the High Elves that are joining be captured in a similar trap.
OR
Explore how more Void Elves are made and have a process outlined through story. Maybe something not dissimilar to the Darkshore Black Eyes scenario for Night Elves to get their black eyes.
Are only the Forsaken allowed to choose? The Void is indeed a choice and before now was considered nearly impossible to control. The Void Elves have a way to control it. We see in the Visions of Stormwind that NâZoth did not gain control of all of them. Many are dead in the streets having resisted. That is testament to their unique capability with the Void.
I donât think, personally, that others would not seek this power.
The story isnât that bad a mess at all, at least not from what I can see, Shadow Priests already skirted with the concepts, and Warlocks utilize the Void as well, though only in a tertiary manner.
Also infected isnât the right word. Infused is. Most of the player characters are infected with the void with the Curse of Flesh.
But to each their own. This is just my opinion.
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They did a pretty poor job then, just like NB. I think NB are more different from NE than VE are from BE. Itâs part of my irritation in general when it comes to Blizz and why I support HE for Alliance. VE cut down on a lot of the arguments against HE. The farther down the rabbit hole they go, the more hypocritical Blizz will seem in my eyes.
They specifically ripped away actual Blood Elves just to hide from the High Elf request, but in my opinion it backfired. I might not even be involved in these threads if it wasnât for VE.
Until Blizz clarifies, I will stick to the logic. Itâs kind of like Maghar Orcs, yeah? They ran through a portal and then it was closed, right? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong there since I am not well versed with the new orcs I may be wrong, but the âsourceâ is cut off.
Itâs one thing to be brought back as undead and your choice is âexist like this or go back to being deadâ vs âget infused (as you put it) by the void which makes you crazy and is one of the most dangerous things in the world or harnessing it like a shadow priestâ. Thatâs really desperate and power hungry. Doesnât fit the Alliance either.
These are just my opinions as well. My irritation is with Blizzard.
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