High Elf compromise

We can only hope that they generally prioritize better consistency in their world building.

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This is a customization option available to them.

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They can customize into one shotting small armies? Amazing.

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But most of these requests don’t involve changing High elves from Blood elves, but rather ask for other themes pertaining to Blood elves. For instance, if I had a twin sister, and my intention was to look different from her, I certainly wouldn’t raid her closet and wear her clothes under the argument that she isn’t wearing them right now. So if people keep saying “Well our High elves will look different because they have braids and tattoos!” and one of the biggest promotional artworks for Blood elves is a mage with tattoos, and braids, you can’t really say that you’re changing them from blood elves, but rather asking for other themes that haven’t been made available yet.

Then you havne’t been in the forums. I dare you to search the forums for any Blood elf thread asking for tattoos, and I can bet you the thread quickly derailed into a debate over High elves, or the OP was swiftly accused of only asking for those themes in an attempt to antagonize Helfers.

No side is innocent, so we certainly shouldn’t be creating strawmen to wave around in hopes of exonerating a certain side of the request.

Unfortunately this is not the case for many Helfers, who do just that. And even worse attempt to undermine very serious requests by painting them as poorly disguised attempts to troll the other side. Because clearly the only reason why a Blood elf player would want braids, tattoos, or blue eyes is to upset helfers, not because these things play important roles in Blood elven lore.

But if your argument that these requests are being made in an attempt to differentiate high elves from Blood elves, asking for shared themes isn’t exactly the best route to take, as that serves to increase the similarity between the two groups, not create a larger distinction.

Agreed. I remember half of the helf crowd claiming that void elves and high elves were going to ally together and raid Silvermoon, and if my eyes rolled any harder they would have fallen into my skull.

Actually I believe it was you who said this.

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Oh okay so you deny the customization they added to give NE’s the Night Warrior customization in patch, as well as denying Blizzards comments on Alleria that state she is a Void Elf, which they chose not to say she “sort of is” they chose specifically to say she is and yet you head canon she is …

Which they chose to say she is VE. Not “sort of” or she is with fundamental differences, thats you saying that not them.

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You really missed the opportunity here to say that Thrall could stand upright before the rest of the orcs could.

Though WoW heroes aren’t representative of players, heroes have their own rules. Look at Nathanos, Malfurion, or Illidain. If you’re trying to recreate the WoW hero experience, you’ll always be wanting.

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Ahem…how can you forget Arthas Menethil? The greatest hero of them all? :wink:

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There is no need for me to defend myself against such efforts to slander me, but i’m going to point out that none of us should be calling each other such things and I hope it stops.

So what im getting out of this is that absolutely everyone of certain races is the same, actual power, story, or personal uniqueness mean nothing any longer and that every human is Varian and Jaina, every Night Elf is THE Night Warrior and every Void Elf is as powerful as Alleria.

Its an intentional detachment to try and compare player characters to the main characters of Warcraft

to be entirely fair, all orcs stand upright before wow, and just stand right is not rly a metric here

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No but they opened the customization option up :slight_smile: for people to look like Tyrande.

Idk what you’re getting out of this hopefully you get that Blizzard uses their definition of Alleria being a Void Elf, and they do not use your definition which is “she is with fundamental differences”

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When people referecne a ‘WoW hero class’ they are saying that the hero characters get to do things that are inaccessible to players and distinct from the rest of the world - sometimes in an immersion breaking way. Like Anduin being a Paladin-Priest with over the top super powers, Illidian being superduper jacked, or Nathanos looking just like a human… or Alleria keeping blue high elf eyes and human skin tone.

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I’m not sure what you mean by this, but okay.

Doesn’t mean Frasaboo holds zero value in his words, but sure think what you will of it.

Most else of what you’re trying to rebut me with looks like you’re putting intentions onto me that don’t exist but I’ll address this part of your post as we’re treading stale ground that I’ve already addressed before anyway and I lose care the longer and more drawn out this becomes.

Yes and I’ve seen artwork of Void Elves with Alleria-like skintones as well that still make them look dark and gothic and very much like shadowy elves in contrast to the Blood Elves who look more holier-than-thou and sophisticated. That has been my basic point altogether, that a gothic image can be maintained without necessarily having the color choice be strictly to purple and blue.

Do you want to see examples?

https://www.deviantart.com/thanysa/art/Cm-Void-elf-WoW-775376505 https://www.deviantart.com/agregor/art/Almion-Twilightstrider-747990779 https://www.deviantart.com/venneccablind/art/Salacia-742053531 https://www.deviantart.com/nixri/art/Smeevil-819865517 https://www.deviantart.com/lainvalentine/art/Noble-Blood-811652092 https://www.deviantart.com/blackberreh-art/art/WoW-Themed-Bust-Auction-OPEN-812264825 https://www.deviantart.com/psichodelic/art/Void-Elf-737849699 https://www.deviantart.com/ashtender/art/Alleria-of-the-Void-760370838 https://www.deviantart.com/kholilciko/art/Void-Elf-786448874

Not necessarily related to Warcraft, but I do happen to find other sources of fantasy that seem to inspired Void Elves like Morgana from LoL or Dark Elves from Warhammer games too:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VVqMe5-wMow/maxresdefault.jpg https://smurfmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bewitching-morgana-lol-art.jpg https://pm1.narvii.com/6740/1f225e340994dabb13faa6ebfe95be14d51f8fd7v2_hq.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9f/d7/4a/9fd74a4be68f6ea0c4b5e7f66b3b47b4.jpg

Make of that what you will but I still will see these as really awesome options to give to Void Elves that still make them look like shadow elves even if the skin tone is similar to Alleria.

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But there is precedent for allowing characters to look as such. From the Night Warrior to rumored BE customization for Dark Rangers. No one is saying they want to be the hero class of a wow character, they want the customization of such. Them being their own level of power has nothing to do with it.

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So assuming you read my post, the appearance extends to that.

Warcraft heroes are the exception, not the rule - and if you are trying to recreate that experience, you’ll always be wanting.

It doesn’t though because the NE customization doesn’t make them the same level of power as Tyrande.

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that is some good blood elves shadow priests dude, too bad they are fanart, fanfiction

They say Void Elves in the hashtag, but good trollin’ there bro.

Also are you trying to tell me Void Elves aren’t basically just that?

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Okay, you’re nitpicking. What aren’t you understanding?

It’s not just power levels, it’s also their appearance.

It means you can keep asking for the same thing pretending like the reason why it wont happen doesn’t exist, but it’s always going to be there, and eventually you’re going to have to accept it.

If you’re trying to make something look more gothic, you don’t ask for customizations that do the very opposite than you presumable intention. Void elves already look gothic, and other shades of blue, or gray would build upon that, but giving them human skin tones? That’s a step in the opposite direction and feels more like you’re trying to capture something they were intentionally geared away from. The only reason you could want them to have more human skin tones is to make them look less corrupted, and less voidy, which is why I don’t think you entirely grasp the point of void elves.

I’d say the closest you’d get to a compromise is one of the Night elf shades of human skin, like the ones that were in the datamine.

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