High Elf compromise

[Sincubus-moon-guard (Sincubus)]

I disagree because better ingredients make better dishes. They cant pull out such top tier ingredients for every new Void Elf and even the most taught chef can only do so much with the ingredients they have,

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Rendlayn-stormrage

Blame Blizzard, maybe they should have made Alleria a blue skinned elf like them.

or they should have made Sylvanas an human undead who shows bones too, but hey, here we are.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

Pity that, she gets to be a warmer toned elf while still having cool edgy shadow powers and still get to be called an edgy elf,

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Forsaken do not get to look like sylvanas, but they do look like Lilian voss
Orcs do not get to look like Garrosh, but they do look like Thrall
Night elves do not get to look like Malfurion, but they do look like Tyrande.
Void elves do not get to look like Alleria, but they do look like Umbric

@Rendlayn-stormrage

I don’t know about you but that means Void Elves definitely can define themselves in a way that isn’t just a purple or blue elf,

it don’t, that is projection, again:

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Forsaken do not get to look like sylvanas, but they do look like Lilian voss
Orcs do not get to look like Garrosh, but they do look like Thrall
Night elves do not get to look like Malfurion, but they do look like Tyrande.
Void elves do not get to look like Alleria, but they do look like Umbric

@Rendlayn-stormrage

regardless of how you may want to bog us down because you are a Blood Elf partisan.

Again, void elves are not getting customization now, maybe not even this expansion, is childish to keep asking like you will.

Second, you will not ask the blood elf skin color to void elves and think no one in the horde will point how bs this is, simple as that.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

Ugh opening up the new human skin tone diversity pallet to Void Elves is very much so a stance to take in supporting diversity

That diverstiy pallet already belongs to blood elves, pick there.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

You’re describing exclusivity.

diversity means everyone is diferent, not anyone get to look the same.

Void elves don’t get blood elf skin color, neither blood elves get void elf skin color.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Alleria would appear to be the exception and not the rule. Like many of WoW’s hero class.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

And Alleria is a VE and has a human skin tone, so opening human skin tones in their entirety of diversity up to VEs is very much the same thing we’re seeing else where and I applaud all of it.

I’d much rather see her get Void Elf skin tones. Diversity for them can be much wider and further their uniqueness as a player race. There are many void themes to pick from.

WoW needs more diversity, which also means fewer human equivalents.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

@Rendlayn-stormrage

And we were specifically told not to give up hope when another dev was asked if Void Elves could have Alleria options. Not Blood Elf options, but Alleria.

Though I do distinctly recall you shut that down once because you value Ion’s word as it agrees with your worldview more, but whatever the case may be they are open to the subject anyway.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288446/blizzcon-2018-lost-codex-interview-with-alex-afrasiabi-and-pat-dawson-origin-of-

What did you expect them to say? Nope, never gonna happen? Even in Ion’s interview he doesn’t outright say no to High elves, because that is essentially what he’s telling the players, and even uses the infamous “You want to play a fair-skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed elf? Sorry, the Horde is waiting for you.”

We can tip-toe around the rabbit hole all day, but eventually you’re gonna fall in.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

Well we just simply disagree on it being a backtrack, as I moreso see it as an evolution of their story and how they’re coming to control the Void.

It is backtracking, as the purpose of their change was to evolve their lore from blood elf lore, into their own, unique, purposeful story. Not to backtrack into looking like Blood elves again, how would that help their story? How would that progress the narrative and their relationship with the void? It wouldn’t, it’s placing a stepping stone for cleansing their corruption, which defeats the point in corrupting them in the first place.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

I don’t so much agree with your stance as what you want seem to be to pigeon-hole them into only being a singular thing as a society of people (which they should be, and not just the military army thing that Blizzard has stuck with them) you are advocating it as retcon when really it is just adding more to them and what they represent compared to the other elves in the story.

It’s not about pingeoning them into anything, it’s about embracing their theme, and story as an evolved race, not stepping them back into looking like Blood elves again. When you picked void elf you seemed to have missed the mark entirely on what they’re meant to represent, why they’ve taken up a new crest, and new creeds, embraced new traditions and their new relationship with the void. The story is centered around the Void elves’ struggle to find a way to cure themselves of the void like your suggestion does, instead their story involves embracing their new powers, and harnessing the chaotic void to their will.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

And I have yet to see what options people have brought to the table, although the ones I’ve seen across different forum communities have not looked very creative or interesting to me and just further pigeon-holes them into one singular path of RP which is simply to be Umbric’s small army of void cultist researchers and not more interesting things like elves that come from various other walks of life who went about the Void infusion differently like Alleria did or have more of a history of being Alliance members.

Now I’ve personally seen you support not only that Blood Elves have the option of being Horde loyalists, but also that they have members who were once Alliance loyal and saw a change of heart and decided to be with the Horde, if you are okay with that from a lore standpoint then I don’t see what the big deal is with it in regards to Void Elves and seeing that represented in their customization.

I’ve seen plenty of beautiful, and creative takes on Void elves, and which directions they could be taken in. Just google Void elf art if you’d like inspiration, from gorgeous new shades of blue and purple, to even pink, or gray. But this is neither here nor there.

And regards to the different walks of life of Blood elves, none of my suggestions are taking away from any existing playerbase, those decisions are not transgressing into territory that had been established in order to implement them in the first place. You cannot claim themes that belong to a race when that race is not playable to you. Being previously Alliance isn’t some high elf exclusive theme either, ALL blood elves used to be alliance as well.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

I don’t want your Holy Light culture and Knight champion themes, I don’t want your loyalty to the Horde or love of Orcs and Undead, I don’t want your Sunwell, I don’t want your golden spires and green forests, I don’t want any of that.

Then you can’t look like a Blood elf.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

I want to be able to play a Void Elf with as much rich diversity of RP options as the other elves, besides just the skeleton lore that Blizzard has given us. Simple as that.

And you can, but please don’t act surprised when people defend a decision that was made to justify their inclusion in the first place. Void elves were changed visually to not infringe on the Blood elves and upset the existing playerbase, so when you go around asking to look like a Blood elf, you can be sure those very players are going to voice their concerns again.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

That diverstiy pallet already belongs to blood elves, pick there.

You don’t seem upset that Nightborne and Night Elves share the same diversity pallet though.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Even in Ion’s interview he doesn’t outright say no to High elves,

He also said that they aren’t out there in that way. Which is a ‘no’ but in so many words.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

@Starlagosa-dentarg

There are many of us who disagree with them getting that.

I respect that but there are a lot of Alliance fans who fundamentally disagree with Nightborne being Horde too, and I applaud that move by Blizzard as well and disagree with the people saying Nightborne should be Alliance.

@Starlagosa-dentarg

And I for one am not going to go away about it.

I’m the last person to tell you you’re not entitled to have your POV, and would never tell you to leave. But many antis do feel entitled to tell HE requests on Alliance to leave the conversation.

I’m also very much a BE fan and from my POV I find HEs add to the game for all involved. As for Void Elves this is a VE fan request imo to add the Alleria human pallet diversity range to VEs, I’m going to defend it yes but I don’t think it’s a HE agenda to do so, HE fans want Alliance Quel’dorei that never were Blood Elves, or went that route.

[Sincubus-moon-guard (Sincubus)]

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

The devs describe her as being the first void elf, and is very much a void elf.

And no where do they say she is the same either. Its disingenuous to ignore the method of her creation compared to the rest and simply hide behind the labels for them.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Leinadh-stormrage

You don’t seem upset that Nightborne and Night Elves share the same diversity pallet though.

they don’t share exactly the same, and they have different models to cover that :^)

[Rendlayn-stormrage (Rendlayn)]

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

or they should have made Sylvanas an human undead who shows bones too, but hey, here we are.

Weird flex, but okay.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

it don’t, that is projection

How do you figure?

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Again, void elves are not getting customization now, maybe not even this expansion, is childish to keep asking like you will.

Right, it’s only not childish when Blood Elves and Horde ask for everything, I understand now.

But no, Blizzard hasn’t said anything about allied race players not being allowed to ask what we want, because I certainly doubt Lightforged Draenei will keep a shorter tail than regular Draenei forever for example and it wouldn’t be in your best interest to call them childish for asking such either.

It may not come as soon as the core races, but I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that it will come and might as well make the request known now.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Second, you will not ask the blood elf skin color to void elves and think no one in the horde will point how bs this is, simple as that.

Cool, and you won’t point out how bs that is and think I won’t point out how bs it is that you’re putting something like this on such an unnecessary pedestal.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

@Sincubus-moon-guard

And no where do they say she is the same either

They very much said she was the same, and there’s a source in this thread so scroll up. She is a Void Elf. Otherwise they would have said something else.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

@Lahilahii-wyrmrest-accord

This would in fact help, here’s a better solution GET RID OF FACTION RESTRICTIONS.

I don’t think that’s realistic. They’ve stated they’re committed to the faction divide.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Void Elf can be the name of a faction or the name of the race. Not to nitpick or anything, but a lot of these arguments hinge on correct capitalization.

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

In a game where they are more one sided to one faction.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

@Rendlayn-stormrage

Blame Blizzard, maybe they should have made Alleria a blue skinned elf like them.

Maybe they still have plans for that. We can only hope!

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

Lots of people on all sides of this issue have been rude and obnoxious to each other about it. It’s become out of hand especially this week.
It’s time we stopped pointing fingers at each other and just tried to be better, imo.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

@Starlagosa-dentarg

Maybe they still have plans for that. We can only hope!

This is a lot of Pro HE fans pov on HE’s as well. Or the reverse works in this thread for VE fans wanting the diversity of the human skin tones. But in addition to those I hope they also get void like skin tones.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Rendlayn-stormrage

Right, it’s only not childish when Blood Elves and Horde ask for everything, I understand now.

is childish asking for something you may get only in the next expansion now, it have no point.

Ask when they announce they will do allied races, otherwise is just wasting time and wasting feedback of other races

People are talking about “wanting diversity” but i don’t see a single one of then asking customization for the core races who will get now, later they will cry because “horde bias” “only horde gets what they ask for”

Rly exhausting.

@Rendlayn-stormrage

But no, Blizzard hasn’t said anything about allied race players not being allowed to ask what we want

Because they will not get now, they already said, youa re giving feedback to the wind

@Rendlayn-stormrage

something like this on such an unnecessary pedestal.

its not me who is asking for something it will not happen now like your life depends on it

[Sincubus-moon-guard (Sincubus)]

I never said she wasnt a void elf as a race, youre ignoring whats different about her because of a label, not the content of the person. Its like saying Night Warrior Tyrande is the same as all the rest of the Night Elves now because thats still her race.

[Oslek-zuljin]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

@Cezol-darkspear

Didn’t see you complaining when that exact thing you’re afraid of literally happened in Legion with Void Elves.

Lots of people were complaining, and the ONLY saving grace was the fact that they were purple, and visually different from Blood elves.

So you can imagine how those people feel when the one thing that placated them is being requested to change.

Yep.
Not to mention the fact that I wasn’t even playing the game during Legion so I wasn’t around during that whole argument, but why let facts get in the way of a good soundbite?