High Elf compromise

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@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Anything that means to be a high is already on blood elves.

They have the high elf lore, the high elf ancient homeland, they have the high elf kingdom, the high elf people, the high elf characters, that now are blood elves

The high elf is their past, and the future of the high elves story is the blood elves, not the self-righteous wannabe alliance who deflect and abandon their own people to live nice and lazy in alliance lands

but the SC of dalaran! they have vereesas cramped apartment and a room with 6 bunk beds for all 12 of their members still alive! and they are bound by dalarans neutrality!

[Harlequin-muradin (Harlequin)]

@Lovefool-alterac-mountains

They are stretching it VERY hard.

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[Avarie-farstriders]

It wouldn’t undermine the lore, it’d add to it.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Even if that were true they still have the void elves beat.

[Lovefool-alterac-mountains (Lovefool)]

@Harlequin-muradin

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I KNOW WHAT I’M ABOUT, SIR/MA’AM.

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

It will undermine the game lore,

High Elves are an objectively bad and wrong race to add to be playable but, how does it undermine lore? There is lore for them to be added. What High Elves do undermine is game-design.

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what new story can be told through them that isnt already being told through blood or void elves. gameplay wise i agree they are identical and theres no need to copy them for the alliance. the high elf fantasy is there for all to play

[Harlequin-muradin (Harlequin)]

@Lovefool-alterac-mountains

I KNOW WHAT I’M ABOUT, SIR/MA’AM.

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[Vaelian-silver-hand (Vaelian)]

@Powercrystal-faerlina

But a race that looks so similar to belves just doesn’t ring well with me

I don’t get that.
They’ve been allies with the humans for ages.
Why does their appearance matter so much if the faction divide is important?
Them looking the same and being on opposite factions adds to that. It shows that the ideals of each side are strong enough to turn on each other.

@Playpen-wyrmrest-accord

youre talking about 4 canon NPCs. 4 is perfectly in line with the lore that a few do exist in the alliance but are extremely rare

Are we only talking like main characters? There’s tons of high elves in the alliance.

@Itoldyouso-illidan

You keep telling yourself that dude.
If it was a thing, it would be done already.
It hasnt, you are wrong.

Doing something that doesn’t require tons of effort that makes nice amounts of money is good business sense, but I guess I’m wrong. lol

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

changing for the good yes, i see no reason to change the game to pamper a loud and minor community who want this game to be like some sort of lotr fantasy.

Making an already existing faction of elves within the alliance playable is something that should have been done ages ago.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

they are not.

Elves only allied with humans on the troll wars

Again, in the second war, but they quickly left.

They were units in both WC2 and WC3, they’ve been living alongside humans ever since as well and long before that. Wish I knew the lore better than I do. Read the books but it doesn’t always stick.
The existence of Dalaran and the Silver Covenant are reason enough for them to be playable.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

yes, and like you said, lore have changed, they are now horde, accept and move on.

lol

“again, my dude, it is not, the point is always people wanting the white and blond elves in the aliance, lore be dammed, all other points are just trying to masquerade that.”

I could care less what color hair or skin they have. The whole point is having an existing alliance faction be playable for those who want to play them. Same as Ogres should be playable or the elven forsaken.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

there is no point in bending the lore to support people headcanons and pointless demands, when this goes against the very essence of the game, blur and hurt the factions and the races itself

Does no such thing. It strengthens the faciton divide. It’s not bending the lore at all. The lore is already there.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

because…?

Because it’d make for good story and maybe build up a better action divide than the poor one we current have.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

but they literally, already did what you are proposing friend.

they took some high elves, and made they look different from blood elves.

They took blood elves kicked them from Quel’thalas and mutated them with Void.
That’s not the Silver Covenant or other high elves that have been allied with humans for ages.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

And again, the color is not the only thing, they have a completely and opposite thematic of high/blood elves.

And High Elves have a different and opposite thematic to Blood Elves.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Thats why they could cross factions

So you agree?

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

except again, this didn’t happen, by now, in lore elves had passed more time in the horde than in the alliance

Nope, Dalaran has been around much longer and has had humans and elves living allied.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

They weren’t, proof? they are not even here anymore. Sylvanas employed subordinates who would do her evil deeds without question.

It’s in the alliance war campaign the San’layn are working for the horde to prove themselves so they can join it. It’s one of the story elements that hasn’t been continued but hopefully was put in place to explain their future inclusion.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

what? kill his own companions to archive a goal? this not horde, never was.

Eh, Yeah. Horde has been doing this since at least Wrath, more so Sylvanas, but she’s been horde all that time. Kinda glad to see her leave. Maybe the horde can be more good. Come from some pretty bad roots though.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

high elves will not improve the game, don’t pretend it will.

Potentially can. Via story and more revenue.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

yes, because they are not white and blonde

The story and lore, the thematic as you keep saying. Nothing to do with hair color.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

this never existed, elves left the alliance after the second war and again in the third ward

Not all of them.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

it will not help the story at all, it will undermine and be a completely mess.

This is also just your opinion.
You don’t know that. I think it’ll improve it, also my opinion.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

You guys have to accept that High elves, changed their name, and are now blood elves.

Some did, some didn’t.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Anything that means to be a high is already on blood elves.

One can argue that’s not true as the Blood Elves renounced that =P
One is no longer a high elf is they’re a blood elf. Kael’thas said so himself

@Cezol-darkspear

Oh definitely, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with loving your faction. It’s only a problem when you use that as a way to deny lore and lore-nuance that is in front of everyone’s face.

Exactly and I’ve yet to see any good or logical reason for the High Elves to not be playable. Same as why I support pretty much every playable race people want. They can all be made to work.

@Kynbrine-moon-guard

Not a “HE supporter” myself as I don’t care for elves and would much rather play as a goblin or a gnome but saying that they will not improve the game for the Alliance isn’t true at all. High Elves could very well end up with a very considerable pop increase for us. One we could honestly use.

Very true. Having things a bit more balanced could be good…not necessarily by drawing from the horde…but bringing back or attracting people that want to play that specific race.

@Powercrystal-faerlina

But then we are stuck in a predicament where half the entire game is playing a fair-skinned elf. I don’t want that personally.

Doesn’t bother me. Let people play what they want. Denying someone the opportunity to do as they wish is crappy.

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

It will undermine the game lore, especially the blood elf and void elf lore.

How? Expanding lore for various groups does not undermine another, that’s silly.

@Avarie-farstriders

Even if that were true they still have the void elves beat.

Yeah, there’s like 12 and they’re playable.

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

@Harlequin-muradin

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Thanks for the nightmares

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@Vaelian-silver-hand

Are we only talking like main characters? There’s tons of high elves in the alliance.

theres 2 canon ones in SW and 2 in boralus. where are these ‘tons’ at

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@Kyuuketsuki-the-scryers

(and not just, say, dark skin painted over a caucasian model)

Here we go again…

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

@Playpen-wyrmrest-accord

what new story can be told through them that isnt already being told through blood or void elves.

Plenty about the “magical Veganism” and could add to faction rivalry. But yea, they shouldn’t be added.

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@Powercrystal-faerlina

faction rivalry

void elves fill that role

[Vaelian-silver-hand (Vaelian)]

Not sure what you mean by canon. There’s the silver covenant and the mages all over the place. See them in battles and in Dalaran. That’s why I asked if you’re talking about characters like Veressa.
The ones I’m talking about are the ones people could be playing, not some npc running a shop.

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

Void Elves aren’t much of that lorewise though, they wish for the people of SM to become a part of the Alliance. But yea they could still fit the bill for the “faction Rivalry trade marked”

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yea im talking about ones in actual alliance territory. the ones alliance have claim to

as for the SC they have no lore beyond being a backdrop in stories for the kirin tor leader and dalaran. they are not a race. they are a political reactionary group of the sunreavers IN DALARAN

high elf lore IS blood elf lore now. if you want to follow their story, play a damn blood elf

[Sârolyn-stormrage]

No because Alaryaia is a High elf like the void elfs. Sylvanas was a High elf that was a undead. Where as the undead race where humans that where zombies.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

You are wrong, because if it was good money, and good business, why havent they done it?
Why would you waot, and let the value of that opportunity drop, when you can do it now? This constant ignorance of “it willl make them money” is impressive. We can break it in simple economics.

What you can buy for a dollar today, you cannot buy tomorrow.
The money they could have made in the past is worth more than it would have been today. So the longer you wait, the less money to gain. So yeah, you are wrong because you lack knowledge in this subject.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

@Vaelian-silver-hand

Nope, Dalaran has been around much longer and has had humans and elves living allied.

Uhhh that isnt how it works. Just because you are friendly with a country doesnt make you a part of their large group.