Dear Fyrebushe, stop trying to pretend that in-game numbers are canon numbers.
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How many NOs do they have to say so it gets to your head ?
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dear saraslam, they barely exist as it is now 
and considering in chronicles the blood elves are described as being on the edge of extinction, and the high elves of the alliance population is but a tiny speck of a fraction of the total blood elf population, it is reasonable speculation. and syncs with caydiems post, the encyclopedia all the way through to ion saying too few/no hubs twice in 5 months
how they are presented in the game also reflects this. hence 2 canon in SW and 2 in boralus in line with being extremely rare outside of quelâthalas and dalaran
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I disagree. Otherwise they wouldnât have these threads half as much or half as unhappy.
Sorry I thought you were more up to date on terms.
Blood Elves are High Elves.
Not all High Elves are Blood Elves.
When folk refer to High Elves theyâre talking about the High Elves that support the Alliance, and have been around in some form or another since vanilla, and naturally reach their high end with the Silver Covenant.
The Void Elves came from Blood Elves. Mostly made up of Scholars as well. This isnât even close to what folk are interested in in general with High Elves for the Alliance.
So no. Way off the mark.
Oh yeah I see this as probably kinda dubious for sure. It was merely a suggestion of what they could have done.
Better if they just had some group of High Elves turn out to be the ones researching the void rather than a group of Blood elf ones. The idea is make it less Blood Elf more High Elf specifically.
Except Blizzard has said that theyâre still researching if they can do the ritual again to make more. So the wayfarers are studying the way Alleria did at the moment. So theyâd look like regular High Elves at the end. Thats not what would work if Alliance canât just have an exact copy paste.
Otherwise yeah that would be swell enough for many folk Iâm sure.
I get that as well. Still its the Farstrider aspect from the Silver Covenant, the link to the Wildhammer with the High Elves in Hinterlands, that tends to lend itself to this thought I think. It is what most High Elf fans are looking for.
And then paladin⌠which I donât think is actually as far out there as Druid or Shaman honestly⌠they have Holy Priests so why not Paladin? The Void obviously isnât entirely cancelling out the ability to use the Light.
Legolas would be a hunter⌠not a Paladin. Huh?
Iâm not saying its not a compromise. Iâm saying its a compromise that sucks balls. If they really thought this would keep people from asking for High Elves then they really donât get their playerbase very well.
Then again they also put Diablo onto a phone game.
Iâm sure a few folk want their Legolas, but the lore around them is there. Theyâre the ones who have to deal with either being exiles (If any actually are I can only find the one lodge and maybe Vereesa for the Purge.) or having to deal with their homeland being destroyed without them being able to do anything, finding out their people have joined what they may see as the enemy (the Horde) and having to still deal with the same pangs of the destroyed Sunwell.
Then after all that the restored Sunwell and still choosing to stay with the Alliance.
Whole nother bunch of possible lore story with SC.
I feel youâve missed my point. Iâm saying not that Void Elves werenât a compromise, and Iâm not saying you have no right to complain about them complaining.
Iâm saying that the compromise sucks for those who wanted High Elves. It doesnât come remotely close to what they were asking, except that it gives the Blood Elf model.
Iâm also saying that Blizzard could have avoided a great deal of it with only a few changes.
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Why? making a faction of elves who are already playable in the horde, in the alliance is completely obnoxious and the very reason they didnât ages ago, thus, there is no reason to do now.
I already adressed that, why are you ignoring?
WC2 is the second war, the elves units who help the alliance in the game are the farstrider, who are not horde.
WC3 elves were not part of the alliance, they were only send by Anaesterian to research the plague, you can help a faction without being part of it, The wC3 elves changed heir name in the Expansion"the frozen throne" joined the alliance, and quickly left.
The elves never had such close relationship with humans, this is headcanon, they were isolationists with some exceptions in dalaran.
That is nonsense.
There is ton of groups of other races in the game, and they are not playable
Again, blizzard put RACES, playable, RACES, not groups, not factions, it is completely obnoxious to ask a group to become an allied race, when they are the same race of an already playable race
I doubt that, i have spend many years with High elfers and its always falls to that.
Again, blizzard donât do playale groups, i donât know the heck that is ahrd to grasp
There is tons of humans groups who are not playable, its compeltely obnoxious to ask then to be a playable race
high elf playable is the same nonsense of defias humam playable, scarlet crusade human allied race, and other bullcrap, its redundant, is bad.
Ogres should be playable because they are not a group, they are a stand alone race, with their own thematic and difference
There is no ogres playable in the alliance, so donât try to pain the high elf as the same case scenario
Are you for real? how the heck diluting the factions thematic and giving every race the same crap but in blue or red color strength the faction divide? thats nonsense.
it is bending the lore to fit people headcanon.
It donât, it make a crap story
High elf story = blood elf story, deal with it.
Explain to me how every faction having the same races, exactly the same, with same thematic and culture someway somehow divide more the factions, please i would love to hear how you can twist that into your narrative
That is litrally what high elves are, either kicked elves or elves who abandon quelâthalas
is the same piece of crap.
those elves, again, never exist.
Silver covenant by example only aligned with the alliance in wtLK and were once blood elves, since the name change happened in WC3, Veressa was still with then, and only left when the blood elves start joining the horde.
Again,y oua re forcing fanfic and headcanon
They do not, its the same thing, the only diference is merely political.
that they need a big heavy change to cross faction that alter their model/color and thematic?
Living in the same city donât mean you are part of the faction.
Elves only were part of the alliance briefly in the second war(WC2) and WC3 the frozen throne expansion.
Did you even play the alliance war campaign?
The alliance kill all of then, you find their leader sucking out forsaken subordinates, like an evil villain he is.
The story continued, they were exterminated and proved themselves unworthy, there is nothing to explain their future inclusion but to explain their forever declination.
The horde do not do that.
Sylvanas didnât kill her own subordinates for sustanance, there is a big difference in that and pragmatism, and when she started killing horde people, started he downfall, we donât need more of that.
it will not improve the story, because again, they are a dead race who do not, the high story is the blood elves
all of then left, stay in alliance city =/= be part of the faction
This is also blizzard opinion, and i know that because is what happens to pandaren.
Least playable rae, no lore since MOP, a complete mes hat blizzard donât know what to do.
not some, 90% of then did, the majority of the race and the entirely of their kingdom.
They didnât ârenounceâ that, they gladly change their names in honor to their fallen brothers who died against the Scourge.
Thats why i said everything that means to be a high is already on blood elves.
Because is what they are, high elves with other name
the high elf Culture, kingdom, land and people is where? with the elves of the alliance? no, its on the horde elves.
You disregarding and choosing to ignore and believe the reasons are not good or logical, donât make then logical or bad
Just because you said âops i donât think this is logical!1!â donât make logical.
The reasons are so good and logical that they keep holding for 13 years, no matter how much people scream and spam the forums demanding blizzard to do what they want.
This game is not revolved around different groups of the same race
i recommend you again go not your charatr creation and see if you chose groups or races.
If the game is not about different groups of the same race, would b completely silly to focusing on that, is the exactly problem pandarens are facing.
There is no lore to be expanded in groups, but in the races, and the main ones. why lose time and development expanding the group of the same race of the horde in the alliance, when they could expands void elves or night elves?
maybe because the population thing was just one of the many reason High elves are not a thing in the alliance, and maybe just focusing on that will not help much
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Yeah, but the problem is that the Alliance is super racist against anyone who didnât descend from a titanic construct or isnât a wielder of the Light in some capacity. (IIRC, thereâs even some lore from Classic where priests of the Holy Light say stuff like, âThese Night Elves are strange, but their goddessâs light is not too different from ours.â)
Basically, the only exception to this are the pandaren. Everyone else is either descended from a titan construct or wields a form of the Light.
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not true, they understand some people in the alliance want to be the white blond elf with dwarves and humans at all. Ion himself said that
Just because they donât do that, donât mean they donât understand it
completely irrelevant because they are the same race
it doesnât matter if they are not the same group
Void elves support the alliance, so?
The void elf race came from the high elf, thats simple a fact, and are now alliance.
It is not close because they are not white and blond i know that, but this donât rly matter, that is already playable, on horde.
the main point in this is how the high elf community try to see those things as different (blood/high elf) when to everyone else, including blizzard, they are the same thing, so to then it rly didnât matter from where they came.
And i keep in the same point, the problem is not from where they came, and how they came, their color is not what they wanted(white and blonde) and thats why their community is completely shattered, there is people who want high elves to become void elves, there is people who want high elf color to void elves, and there is people who just want the high elf exactly like they dream off
It means in time, they can do it.
But like i said, RP, roleplay your background, right now you are still a bronzebeard dwarf, but you can say your Dwarf is a wildhammer.
Right now, only the Draenor orcs are playable, not the maghar ones, th ones people ask since TBC, do you see people asking for outland maghar as allied race? no, because i can create my AU maghar, and say im from outland.
When i create a troll, i create one from the darkspear tribe, but they ae jungle trolls nevertheless, it could be nonsense to ask by example, âgurubashi trollsâ as allied race, when gurubashi troll is jungle troll, and they are already playable, i can say my troll came from the gurubashi empire just fine
Same with night elves, you can say your character is a highborn all you want.
But again, this theme and thematic is already on horde
people want to play that but not want horde, they want in the alliance, that is an entitled stance
yes?
Look at the number of void elves, they are by far the most playable allied race, and by now are one of the most playable races in the alliance.
Dude, the compromise was a success, to bad they are not white and blonde
And i say again, lore is never the point
if people want and like high elf lore, they would play the blood elves.
And it can be changed a bit.
people could ask to make possible the current void elves create more void elves, like from silver covenant and others areas, that would solve all the problems, if lore was the problem
But, do you see then asking that? or do you see then asking another elf, another allied race, or JUST changing the void elves colors?
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Again, I disagree.
Distinctions matter.
Theyâre former Blood Elves not High Elves.
They are former blood elves not high elves.
For a great deal of the High Elf fans the skintone isnât really that important compared to the lore they want to play.
But it did.
Thats why the threads never stopped.
The main theme between all those groups is that they want to play the High Elves on the Alliance.
It doesnât mean anything right now. Blizzard could decide that they cant do it. That like the Forsaken, Void Elves canât reproduce effectively.
right now it matters, and them dancing on it rather than just say, yeah they can remake Void Elves is kinda an issue.
Aside from the Night Elves/Nightborne (Which is also slightly off), none of these have the same setup as High/Blood Elves.
They want to play what they see on the Alliance. shrug
If you want these threads to stop then its a bad compromise. And if youâre given a bad option that you can vaguely pretend is close is available youâre going to go for it. Plus plenty actually do like Void Elves.
In either case it doesnât mean they wouldnât still want what they were asking for.
As far as what they were asking for, in general from what I can tell, Void Elves are a bad compromise. And its not because of their hair color or skin tone.
Unless they want to play the ones in the Alliance.
I see them reaching for any option that can get them closer based on where they stand on the issue.
Some would be fine with a lore option that simply says the High Elves allied with the Alliance are becoming and can become Void Elves.
Some want the skintones so they can pretend to be Alleria.
Some want close to skintones but donât want to lose the Void aesthetic.
Some want to remain resolute and want what they were asking for.
If youâre seeing only one of those or many other options youâre not paying attention.
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ITs where the meme âthe horde is waiting for you have bornâ
Again, just because they do what people want, donât mean they donât understand it.
Not if they are the same race, since the game revolves around races
most of the high elves were once blood elves anyway, why is the matter with people nitpicking a damn name? is like their elves will be better or smell better because of it.
I donât know why people keep running in circles
blood elves are high elves, theya re the same race
Again, the race is high elf, and from this race, another race was born, the void elves.
No groups, just race, donât focus groups
That is in fact very wrong, and i explained to you why
no it didnât, the threads never stopped because void elves are not white and blonde
the main theme between all those groups is how they want to play a white and blonde elf in the alliance
clear as crystal, it doensât matter if they put their color to void elves, or if they change the lore to afford what they want, as long it is white and blonde
And again, completely pointless to someone else RP
They literally have
Same race with a different group;
race high elf, named blood elf = race jungle troll, named darkspear troll =
race Night elf, Named highborne
they can play with void elves now, just the color is a bit different, if people are bothered they can use a full mog
so, a good compromise is give to then exactly what they want?
this is like a child crying in the shopping, so âdude, if you want the kid to stop give to herâ
Im paying attention enough to see how they are asking to play a blonde and white elf, no matter what approach blizzard use.
And there is some people who just want high elves like from the silver covenant to become void elves, i agree with those, and fully support this, but no for the others. But f they do not ask for that, blizzard may never do, and those spams threads will not help
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Again I disagree.
Distinctions matter.
Iâve outlined that two posts ago. The Blood Elf Story and the High Elf Story diverge. Its natural theyâd want to play that especially since theyâve been in the Alliance faction during that time.
The group is what people want to play. Also since when does this game revolve around race?
You are specifically a Stormwind Human. Unless you are a Gilnean Worgen, or a KulâTiran. Theyâre all human.
Its always revolved around group from a race. Sometimes that race has few groups sometimes it has many.
Except that the lore is why people want to play them. The High Elves exist in the Alliance and folk just want to play those elves. They are widely from the High Elf fans Iâve talked to willing to accept void elf skintones and hair colors. Theyâre mainly more concerned with them not being High Elves but blood elves, and their ties to the Void.
You are right that some of them want the regular white skintoned high elves, but its certainly not all of them.
It never stopped because Void Elves are so very far from the mark. Had they been a good compromise they would have been High Elves. They would hopefully have linked in at least the paladin class as well.
youâre very focused on this belief. How many more of them have told you otherwise and youâve ignored it blindly?
Iâll grant that some may indeed truly seek that. But it is not all of the pro high elf fans. Many of them would be fine with various compromises that actually give them the High Elves within the Alliance.
Iâve had folk tell me that canât be the case plenty of times in these very threads because Blizzard has said that they canât and donât explicitly say why the wayfarers are there.
These things matter.
Those havenât been on both sides since TBC. Its not really the same.
No they canât. Theyâre blood elves not high elves. They want to play high elves.
Youâre not listening evidently. In my first post to you I told you what would have been at the very least a good compromise for most and it involved them still being blue.
The issue isnât giving them what they want. Its that they got only the model and nothing else of what they were interested in. Its been 13 years. Blizzard had plenty of information to pull from. They only focused on a model.
Truly if that all you see then I think youâve missed much. Its easy to get drowned in the threads though so its also not surprising.
Perhaps you and I are not so far off as I was starting to think then.
I understand not wanting a copy paste of arguably one of the Hordes signature races. Who truly looks at a Blood Elf and doesnât think, yeah thats a Horde race?
My point in all of this is that Blizzard missed the compromise mark by a wider margin than I think they intended. They thought the model would be fine. They saw no significant distinction between Blood and High Elf. Who could blame them, theyâre the same race.
Despite their eminence in this case though Blizzard seemingly (and not for the first time either) forgot their lore. High Elves and Blood Elves, while the distinction has been downplayed to be mostly political if not only political, are not entirely the same. The Alliance has had them with them since Vanilla. Small in number sure, but theyâve been there. Theyâre a group thats been around the Alliance since WCII.
Its really no wonder that seeing them even now folk still want to play them.
They definitely need to find a way to end these threads though. Somehow adding them to Void Elves is, in my opinion, the best option. Just get the High Elves that serve the Alliance to choose to become blue, and have some of the High Elves also choose to return to QuelâThalas and leave the Alliance. In game. Obviously and without any second guessing.
Iâd prefer not to get the humanlike skin tones, but thats me.
I definitely want the narrative to become ONLY Blood or Void elf though.
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When you saw it you would hate it, because you want to play a character that looks exactly like a blood elf.
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What compromise, there is none, the Alliance already have a group of High Elves who have been politically aligned to them long before Blood Elves even became Blood Elves. Why should Horde have a say in this, when these are our own High Elves? The 7th legion shield mages who are High Elves clearly are wearing blue, same with Silver Covenant and amongst many other High Elves. These are OUR High Elves, they despise the Horde, they chose the Alliance.
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There is no distinctions other than faction alignment, so no, it doesnât matter in the context of playable races.
their story didnât diverge, that would imply high elf story going forward other way than the blood elves
high elf story->blood elf story, matters little if there is a minor stagnate group in the alliance who doesnât nothing besides show up as sideckicks(thats why it would make more sense if they just become void elves finding new purpose)
The schism, still happened later on, pre-tbc, when elves were joining horde, until there everyone else was blood elf anyway, silver covenant and others are all âtaintedâ with the blood elf name once, so, nitpicking the void elf origin is just childish
To bad for then the factions ar organized under races not groups.
You canât play a group of a horde race in the alliance, just like you canât play a group of an alliance race in the horde.
is simple as it is.
because color
Because is the hard truth
Say they donât rly care and is just about lore is too easy now, but as soon you mention they becoming void elves WAOW WAOW, that is to far.
Thats why i donât believe it, of course there is exceptions, but sadly, they are just minority, i rly find people who truly enjoyed their void elves anyway
no truth.
Again, i can say my maghar orc come from outland just fine, even if by lore, this is impossible. You donât see horde people screaming at blizzard to make the outland orcs a thing
Of course it would be easy and better if blizzard said public âhey they discover how to do it now, and can recreate more void elvesâ but is not rly the end of the world, you can say your void elf is from the silver covenant just fine, i know people who do that
be in both sides is not the point, but they being the same race
dude, this cyclic argument is tedious
Blood elves Are high elves.
âoh b-b-bu is not this exact and specifically group of high elves that im nittpicking!!1!1!! then its not Validâ blizzard will fall for this
And i told you many times, is totally ok and fine for blizzard making silver covenant and other elves to become void elves
Literally no one is against that except the very people who you said care about lore
And like i said, im totally up for making more void elves from high elves, they could even rename the silver covenant to void covenant, and all the package, that would mean their lore going forward,
But the high elf fans, most of then, donât want that, and proceed to undermine this suggestion about just wanting another elf race who is exactly like the blood elves but better, and to this, no, this isnât a compromise, and should not happen.
just a heads up, most of people who want to play then is not for the rts games, most of then didnât play it, they barely knew the events of those things.
It is, but people will never stop, you can literally kill any living high elf of the alliance in lore but this would not stop then, they will come up with another suggestion, like time traveling, going to AU azeroth (and saw those(
The only thing i can see, is simple deleting the threads automatically.
And again, i totally agree with this, they are the extreme opposites of the same elf, and i like that.
With the void elves there is no reason for blizzard focus on HE, showed in the 4th war how void elves quickly replace then, and with the void narrative going forward, they already have their place in the story
If it is not make clear yet, yes, make Silver covenant and other alliance elves to be void elves is definitely a good compromise focusing on people who want the lore, and for then i can give my support, the only problem is people who only care about look who will only accept a white and blonde elf.
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the silver covenant chose dalaran.
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Weird, theyâre actively killing Horde players on sight, even in the Stormwind portal room.
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If Blizzard really wants to end this debate without giving the Alliance a playable High Elf option, yes, that is the best solution (or Half Elves). In fact, it was a mistake that Void Elves came from Blood Elves and not High Elves.
However, if Blizzard simply wants to âhold backâ for the foreseeable future playable Alliance High Elves, the best option would be making a new AR out of them with a new model Ă la Kul Tirans.
My personal opinion, ofc.
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Yeah, its weird how game developers use the flagging system which acts completely differently from the lore.
You know, how horde and alliance druids kill each other in the cenarion circle base despite agreeing to be peaceful.
Less disingenuous statements please.
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We already figured out these people think its fair for horde fo get both fairskinned and purple skinned elfs but not ok for the alliance fo fef the option to make the once fair skinned elfs into the previous and new skin tones.
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Panderan are the exception, not the rule.
Seriously though, VE could have âhigh elfâ textures, but like with all skin color choices for the VE, their hands, feet, ears and around the eyes will tint a blue/purple, and theyâll obviously have tentacles in their hair except for a token few styles.
Alternatively, and one Iâve seen no one really think about, NE getting High Elven features/options, both as a throw back to the old High Elven models and to represent a new breed of âHighâ Elf from the Feralas faction that brought us Night Elf mages. Though Iâm really stretching the lore here because the Sunwell is probably a large part why High Elves have a human color palette, but we are getting vibrant golden hair for Night Elves as an option soâŚ?
Not everything needs to be one to one.
Where are my large beards? Alliance has more large beards than the horde do.
Your argument is hella doshonest.