Yes. To both.
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I have to disagree with you on this. Horde got blood elves because during TBC the horde lacked âprettyâ races to play.
They left the alliance because one general had it out for them. Then they joined the horde that had trolls, with which whom the blood elves were at war with⌠(not dark spear) and orcs with which whom destroyed most of their forces. AND undead. I donât think I need to explain what the undead did to the BLOOD elves. Weird how they can forgive the orcs, undead, and trolls join their faction and not the alliance because one general used them for cannon foster. Almost like they were shoehorned into the the hordeâŚ
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But the premisse was already there, because the elves didnât belong to any faction, they left the alliance, they were without a faction, they could go anywhere the story or the game needed
That is a over-simplification of the situation, trying to make loook like less worse than it actually was
then you procced to extrapolate their joining the horde trying to make look like it was way worse than it was.
Your argument is weak and have being debunked many times over this decade. No matter if they were put in the horde with an intent to fix faction imbalance, it was done within the logic of the lore
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There were no elf units in wc1 though?
If stormwind and lorderon alliance are one and the same, then my point just got stronger doesnât it?
They left the alliance.
I do agree with kennin that blood elf is horde because they lack a âpretty raceâ. They could easily come up with lore to have them REJOIN the alliance.
and?
not rly, since anything that happened with Garithos and everything after that also falls on stormwind shoulders.
Yeah but they didnât, they could, but not the ship have sailed, we have to accept the story and move.
Many things could go different, Arthas could never be the Lich king, Archimonde could have won the third war, but it didnât happen.
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Yes they were free to join what ever faction they wanted.
So your saying that what the trolls, UD and Orcs did is irrelevant. Id say in comparison no its not an oversimplification of what happened its pretty much straight to the point.
If my argument is so weak why did you agree that they were shoehorn into the horde to fix faction imbalance.
That makes me right
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I totally agree.
Suviving high elves renamed themselves bloodbelves and joined the horde under the invitation of sylvanas.
Thatâs all there is to it. If alliance do get high elves, horde should get ogres.
Then again, we will complain on why horde gets a new race. Looks at the vulpera thread. They are using the goblin skeleton!
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My point for alliance high elves is this.
Are the a group of high elves that have ties to the alliance and worked with the alliance on more than one occasion⌠yesâŚ
Is this group highly requested to be playable
Yes.
Comon blizz make it happen.
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No, blizzard was free to put then in wherever faction they wanted
it made more sense to join horde, and also helped to fix the imbalance
First, orcs were never a big problem, they could not even scratch their magic shield and the most damage was some fire in their forest. They only became a âproblemâ because they allied with the amani.
the elves barely help the alliance in this war and quickly left after it was over.
The elves only had a problem with the amani trolls, forest trolls, they have nothing to do with darkspear who are jungle trolls, unless you want to think they should be racists with every single troll, if you think, lets keep this in mind in my next argument.
The orcs the undeads under the leadership of their beloved once hero ranger general, in short the horde, was the only faction to lead then help, and actually save then in time of need
in other hand
An HUMAN prince, heir of the leadership of the alliance, killed their king, defiled their font of powers and genocide 90% of their people.
Later, they tried to join the alliance again, but again, another HUMAN, with the alliance, imprisoned then in the HUMAN city of dalaran, with the intent to commit a genocide and kill the elf prince.
While this was happening, not a single human, dwarf, or gnome kingdom lift a hand to help then, Dalaran made a blind eye to then.
And later, Stormwind send sabouters to keep an eye and destroy the elves sources of magics, because they still didnât trust the elves.
But here you are, trying to pain the alliance things as just a âgrudge with Garithos onlyâ and paint the horde as vile monsters that made the elves life hell before, so they should totally joined the alliance.
Thats simple donât.
I said they indeed put then in the horde with that intent, but it had all lore support for it.
It makes you wrong because you said a lot of nonsense about the facts of why it was more likely to join horde than alliance
But how is this even comparable?
high elves are already on the horde, and ogres are not on the alliance.
sure fam, im sure blizzard never heard of this groundbreaking suggestion, in those 13 years,
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Comparable on 1 front.
Silver covenant. True, high elves = blood elves. But the silver covenant is alliance. I give them that. But they are currently not playable.
Stone maul clan is horde, but not playable as well. If a faction gets a new playable race, it makes sense for the other faction to get another. Ogre is the only one i could think of that makes sense.
Both races are within their faction, but not playable currently.
To be clear, i am against high elves on the alliance. But if blizzard really wants to give alliance high elves, then give ogres to horde.
On another note, i never understood why night elves joined the alliance either. They had zero ties to stormwind. They teamed up with the horde and survivals of lordaeron in wc3. People argue about ashenvale, but the horde and night elves could have an agreement.
The horde stop chopping trees in ashenvale and the night elves send some druids to the barrens/durotar to make trees magically like how malfurion did. Or maybe, you know, trade some things for wood?
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And yet, I am up for Horde getting Ogres and Alliance getting High Elves.
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1000% thisâŚ
The Alliance also hasnât really been good for us arguably.
Actually 1000% this too⌠Guess I just agree with youâŚ
No.
Canonically theyâd still be a void elf.
Storywise that wouldnât make sense. The high elves with the Alliance didnât turn to feedong on Naaru and Demons (this is partially why they were banished by Lorthremar in the first place, not including the ones who were in other Alliance cities and didnât return), why would they turn to an even WORSE source?
Game already has playable high elves so while we could get ogres, alliance would have to get something else. The idea that there has to be some kind of compromise is silly, thatâs an arbitrary condition that Blizzard isnât beholden to.
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No, the Horde has Former High Elves. The Blood Elves, do not count themselves as High Elves. The Blood Elves, do not think of themselves as High Elves either.
And even in the game, the High Elves of the Alliance and the Blood Elves of the Horde are recognised as 2 different factions and groups.
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by that logic alliance doesnât have high elves either, because they all died defending quelâthalas.
after all, that is what a âhigh elfâ is to a blood elf
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I have to disagree.
Silver covenant is alliance, i give you that. However, High elves = blood elves
Just because high elves refused to be called blood elves doesnât mean they are not the same.
Kael had renamed the people blood elves.
This reminds me of all the ânot my presidentâ posts on social medias back in 2016.
I may not be an american, but i am amused by those posts.
Trump got voted in, so he is the president. Those people may not have voted for him, but if they are american citizen, trump IS their president regardless of what they say.
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Youâre totally right, because alliance isnât getting what they want on this one.
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Except that the high elves that didnât change their name donât live in quelâthalas. Lorâthemar is not their leader.
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Except it was kael that change the name. Not lorâthemar.
Prince kaelâthas sunstrider. The son of king anasterian sunstrider, and heir to the throne.
Kael had renamed his people blood elves. There is no ârefuse to change their nameâ.
They are either blood elves, or not blood elves. No more âhigh elvesâ regardless if they ârefuse to change their nameâ.
The more i think about it, the more i find this similar to those ânot my presidentâ people. I chuckled irl.