High Elf compromise

[Radomir-wyrmrest-accord (Radomir)]

@Harlequin-muradin

Damn sparky, put the drink down. Foisting your delusions on blizz?

We get blue eyes right after devs say we will and tell alliance to play horde if they want to play a high elf is “looming possibility of caving?” LOL?

You know what, I take it back. Another flavor of elf would be worth it just to make Belf players seethe.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Come on, join our side! You know you want to!

[Radomir-wyrmrest-accord (Radomir)]

@Averax-staghelm

Yeah. They were pretty adamant about not giving the opposite faction an exact cut and paste of a race that already exists.

It didn’t have to be an exact cut and paste. Void elves are a cut and paste with a blue filter.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

Unfortunately many of the pro High elf demands include claiming ownership over themes that are intrinsically tied to Blood elves, as Alliance High elf themes. If you visit any thread asking for themes that hearken to Blood/High elf history like tattoos, blue eyes, etc you will bet bombarded with High elf hopefuls who feel that these themes belong to them. It becomes a form of bargaining when it starts to feel like themes are being torn away from Blood elf players for the simple means of justifying a copy of our race. And that’s never felt fair.

But that’s not the “High elf” fantasy, that’s using High elves as a prop to fulfill a trope for the Alliance races. High elves are only interesting to you when they’re allied with the right races, and bear the right colors, it’s not really the High elves you’re interested in at that point, but what they can offer to the Alliance’s theme. It’s unfortunate for those who wanted High elves on the Alliance that they were given to the Horde, but there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle now.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

Void elves are visually distinct enough and their culture has evolved with their current state of existence.

Meanwhile, everything that high elves are, the blood elves are too. There is nothing unique about the high elves, and all they can do now is just assimilate with either the void elves, or human culture.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

@Eret-hyjal

One day blizz will just kill off the silver covenant.

I think that’s been the plan since Mists. They committed warcrimes they haven’t been held accountable for. I would have figured Bliz just forgot about it like tehy do so many other things, but it was brought up again in BFA. The Leader of the Sun Reavers aided Sylvanus because he thought that was the only way to get justice for him and his people. I think they’re going to be trash in a dungeon or raid.

[Sâpphire-dalaran (Sâpphire)]

i dont want people to mad each other over this stuff. this is all the devs fault. they did this to us. the meanies.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

@Avarie-farstriders

Come on, join our side! You know you want to!

I’ll join you for spider elves.

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

Posting in another
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[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord]

i think very few if any survived legion

if they did and that we havent seem them may imply joining the unseepath wasnt temporary. it would be a much higher calling then walking laps around dalaran. a fitting end

[Harlequin-muradin (Harlequin)]

@Hecatone-burning-legion

@Eret-hyjal

One day blizz will just kill off the silver covenant.

I think that’s been the plan since Mists. They committed warcrimes they haven’t been held accountable for. I would have figured Bliz just forgot about it like tehy do so many other things, but it was brought up again in BFA. The Leader of the Sun Reavers aided Sylvanus because he thought that was the only way to get justice for him and his people. I think they’re going to be trash in a dungeon or raid.

I see them mostly just fading slowly into obscurity, they’re pretty insignificant as it is. The only elf that gets any kind of screentime is Vereesa and that’s only cause she’s the third wheel Windrunner

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

No.

…and 10 characters

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

Lyin? Elf blood thread? Lol I love it

[Radomir-wyrmrest-accord (Radomir)]

@Averax-staghelm

Void elves are visually distinct enough

Not really. With armor on you can’t tell the difference between a Blood and Void elf at a glance.

@Averax-staghelm

and their culture has evolved with their current state of existence.

What culture? Void elves don’t have a culture other than ‘muh void’ and ‘muh alliance’.

@Averax-staghelm

Meanwhile, everything that high elves are, the blood elves are too.

High elves refused to resort to demonic magic. Thus they lack the capability for fel green eyes and the ability to be warlocks. They also didn’t get in contact with Illidan, so they’d lack the ability to be demon hunters. They are also not as in tune with the Sunwell, so they’d lack gold eyes as well.

You could even make the case that High elves could be thinner, lankier, more wiry than Blood elves because they are less healthy without the Sunwell in order to give them a different model.

@Averax-staghelm

and all they can do now is just assimilate with either the void elves, or human culture.

Blizzard has shown us that they can and will be NPCs that don’t assimilate at all.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

@Huntillia-proudmoore

Would the HE Alliance supporters and detractors be ok with simply giving VE the options to have non-purple skin and hair? They could look like a HE but would still be VE. Seems like a win win to me.

As long as the issue is that they don’t want to have too much of a crossover between alliance and horde -I mean besideees pandaren- It’s not likely to happen. It doesn’t make sense, but it’s that way because of the design choice.

But as long as people are so vocal about giving VE’s more HE looking options because it’s “stealing” from BE’s, I don’t see why Blizzard would have an incentive to do that.

I think a lot, but not all, Pro-HE people would be okay with it to a degree; it’s what Wildhammer Dwarves and Sand Trolls are getting; to look the part is better than nothing. But there would be a lot of people that still wanted a “true HE race” with more specific personalization and of course those that just wanna be elven paladins.

[Malsethiron-moon-guard]

That would be a fair compromise.

@Milanas-zuljin

The High Elf compromise is to just play a High Elf in the Horde.

A true High Elf would never associate, let alone ally with the savages known as Orcs and Trolls. That’s my biggest issue with the “just play Horde” bit.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

Not really. With armor on you can’t tell the difference between a High and Void elf at a glance.

Then why are we asking for high elves?

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

What culture? Void elves don’t have a culture other than ‘muh void’ and ‘muh alliance’.

That’s plenty distinct enough from anything else we have.

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

High elves refused to resort to demonic magic.

So did blood elves. They just used the fel crystals that Rommath brought back to power the city. That energy radiated out towards the people and gave them green eyes.

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

the ability to be warlocks

There is literally a high elf warlock trainer in wotlk dalaran
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Summoner_Nolric

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

They also didn’t get in contact with Illidan, so they’d lack the ability to be demon hunters.

kay

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

They are also not as in tune with the Sunwell, so they’d lack gold eyes as well.

That’s not even a little bit true.

@Radomir-wyrmrest-accord

Blizzard has shown us that they can and will be NPCs that don’t assimilate at all.

But that’s not what’s happening to the high elves.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

I have been and and greatly apart of the High Elves request. I know what has been asked for and what is being asked for. Unfortunately for you, hair, tattooed, skin colors are not exclusive to just Blood Elves and their fantasies. Many of these things we put out their to help make them look different before “New customizations” options became available. Now that they are for all races, it just makes it even easier to differentiate what we desire and is now about stance, model, and movements. It becomes an issue, because you have ranters raving about how they can’t be different because “same people!” Instead of seeing it for what is being asked for, an allied race. You also have those whom feel that if a model was altered it would be subjectively better then Blood Elves, which isn’t the fault of the players and shouldn’t be brought to their doorstep.

That is your opinion of what you feel has become of the High Elves of the Alliance, that doesn’t make it true. They are interesting because of their lore and where they stand in the world. You don’t get to personally project your ideas on what others feel is their fantasy. What’s unfortunate about it, is that you feel the need to tell other players that their fantasies for their characters will never come to fruition and should settle with the options you find good enough. This is why I said that it is not up to us to convince you why or what we want, just the Devs.

[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord]

@Malsethiron-moon-guard

A true High Elf would never associate, let alone ally with the savages known as Orcs and Trolls. That’s my biggest issue with the “just play Horde” bit.

this is honestly why youre never getting a carbon copy of a horde race. blood elves are the high elves of quel’thalas proper, not a mage trainer in SW or a couple elves lurking around dalaran with absolutely nothing behind them. no kingdom, no civilian population or army, thats what blood elves(high elves) represent

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

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