High Elf compromise

[Aalis-thaurissan]

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

I want something that fulfills the spirit of the request and provides the fantasy and story that comes with it.

The compromise was for people that wanted the blood elf model on the alliance.

Not for people like you that wants the story/lore. What you are asking foe is new lore for a race that is on the horde happening on the alliance.

What you should be asking for is silver covenant lore. However, if (and that is a big IF) i am right, they will be taking a back seat with the void elf replacing the silver covenant in their participations in battle.

[Aalis-thaurissan]

@Cezol-darkspear

You’re…

I said good day!

[Guzzle-barthilas]

@Zynx-perenolde

To some it was about the lore of being elves that refused fel energy

I feel like I need a catchphrase for times like this.

[Nicodemùs-argent-dawn (Nicodemùs)]

I like my void elf too! I actually really like Void Elves despite all the problems with them. It’s just a shame that Blizzard did very little to expand on them in BfA which was rife with opportunity having old god/void themes.

Of all the allied races Void Elves really really needed the fleshing out because they have virtually nothing beyond being Blood Elves who got messed up in a ritual gone wrong and joined the Alliance. BfA could have done much more to expand on them but all we got were some token generic void elves opening void portals and animating void dinos.

[Akston-area-52]

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

It applies as much to playable Alliance High Elves as it does to asking for even remotely human looking skin tones for Void Elves.

Asking for human skin tones on void elves is not reasonable.

@Zynx-perenolde

The difference between High elf’s and Blood elfs is the leadership, the magic supply, the interbreeding with humans and the fact they are allied with the Alliance.

They have not been separated long enough for interbreeding with humans to actually matter. Some have, but they two have not been actually apart from each other that long

The silver covenant is what…a handful of years old?

@Zynx-perenolde

They are technically the same race. So are the regular orc’s and the Magar Orc’s. Both are Orc’s, one just has a different diet and leadership.

On the same faction.

Something the high elf community regularly ignores as a major reason why the maghar were created with very slight differences.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

I’m talking more about anti’s being against anything even remotely close to what’s being asked for.

Because what is being asked for is almost always unreasonable.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

If it’s actual high elves, idle stance, a mix of new hairs + human hairstyles that blood elves don’t have, and an entirely new body model is not acceptable. Just look at how your side reacts to Talendrion’s mockups which use Night Elf body models. It’s a freakin entirely different body model but its not acceptable.

How is this in the least bit reasonable? “just give us blood elves with new hair cuts”. “Just ignore the lore and give us new models that would have no realistic justification”

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

If it’s close to normal skin tones for Void Elves that’s a no go for the anti’s as well. Doesn’t matter if its a skin tone that Blood Elves don’t have even in SL, if it isn’t blue grey or purple its not acceptable to the anti’s.

How is it reasonable to ask for void elves to be turned into blood elves?

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

And while I know not every anti holds these stances, the “usual suspects” that continue to frequent these topics generally do and that’s not something that can be argued with consider the post histories are there for all to see. Heck we can just look through this topic to see it.

I can also look through the topic and see the “usual suspects” hiding behind their lore they pretend to care about that constantly suggests non lore reasons to add blood elves to the alliance as a playable option.

@Zynx-perenolde

After that add the customization options to both the blood elf and void elf races.

That is the most reasonable way to do it and draw the least amount of anger. But mind you they with still get a lot of anger for stalling this long.

The most reasonable option is to just give you exactly what you want. How quaint.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

When your “compromise” results is something that doesn’t remotely resemble what’s being asked for it’s not really a compromise.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

When your “compromise” results is something that doesn’t remotely resemble what’s being asked for it’s not really a compromise.

Again… as I said, that is why this debate will never end.

If an entirely different body model isn’t good enough unless it’s blue, then compromise isn’t really what’s being sought.

Yet you aren’t seeking compromise either. You are trying to find ways to get exactly what you want and making the other side “compromise”.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

A compromise involves both sides having input and settling on something both can live with.

That is not accurate. Each side is required to make concessions. Interestingly enough, the high elf side is not willing to make any concessions that matter.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

Won’t stop me from asking for them till we get them or the game shuts down. So get comfy cause we are gonna be here a while.

I am well aware, and I hope you enjoy constantly being told “no”.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

Less “not exactly” and more “not remotely”

The blood elf model with light skin tones was regularly asked for. Half was given. Saying its not remotely is being genuinely dishonest. Trying to convince Blizzard to give you something while asking in the most dishonest way possible will not help your cause.

[Zynx-perenolde]

Scroll above a bitt, I already listed a compromise that would work. Basically Valeria would have to disband and allow them to follow the faction of their choice. Then add the skins to both races.

Blizzard should do this, Because they will catch less heat…mind you the heat will still always be on them for dangling that cheese for so long.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

@Aalis-thaurissan

I said good day!

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

I get ppl want the fantasy, RP ect ect.
However, it still doesn’t change the fact you cannot go back 10 years ago and rewrite history.

I feel as if for some (not all) they are stuck on that moment in time and no amount of new rigs, ect ect will make them happy.

I wish they could give you a new unique model but I’m on the fence that it would ultimately help

[Akston-area-52]

@Zynx-perenolde

Scroll above a bitt, I already listed a compromise that would work. Basically Valeria would have to disband and allow them to follow the faction of their choice. Then add the skins to both races.

So your compromise is “give us exactly what we want and make blood elves a neutral playable race”.

[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord]

@Kaitashi-earthen-ring

Why should Blizzard even bother to try?

why would they?

void elves have proven to be a success. they are still making money off of them from race changes

blizzard has no incentive to add what they want. none of the feedback on skin tones was adopted when void elves were first announced and it definitely wont be now. for the same reasons antis and development have said

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

The point is, Blizzard, and the player community do not want a belf clone on the alliance.

So, what you’re saying is that us Pro’s are not part of the player community?

[Akston-area-52]

@Saraslam-frostmourne

So, what you’re saying is that us Pro’s are not part of the player community?

Not enough to justify copy/pasting a race across factions.

[Aalis-thaurissan]

@Saraslam-frostmourne

So, what you’re saying is that us Pro’s are not part of the player community?

STILL waiting on your explaination that blood elves skin tone have ANYTHING to do with ideas of half elves given to the horde.

[Zynx-perenolde]

@Akston-area-52

So your compromise is “give us exactly what we want and make blood elves a neutral playable race”.

Not it all. Are you feeling ok? Did You scroll up at all or just base everything off of that quick summary? Maybe have a coffee and rest your eyes.

I don’t want Blizzard to make them a race. I am along the lines with the OP where the skin’s/ eye options should be available to both Void elfs and Blood Elfs.

The Short story was just to tie up the loose end’s with the RP side of things.

[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord]

i love and support void elves

they have insured the thematic integrity of our faction has been preserved

[Nicodemùs-argent-dawn (Nicodemùs)]

Asking for human skin tones on void elves is not reasonable.

I disagree. If a “close to human but not quite” skin tone is requested (and you can go through my post history to see I’ve specifically asked for that), especially if its one that isn’t possessed by any race in the game currently, then it’s still considered “unreasonable” by the anti’s simply by virtue of being acceptable to the pro’s.

Because what is being asked for is almost always unreasonable.

Only because your idea of what’s reasonable means the result is unacceptable to the other side. Heck, there’s anti’s that feel Void Elves were an unreasonable thing for Alliance to get.

How is it reasonable to ask for void elves to be turned into blood elves?

That’s not what’s being asked for.

Yet you aren’t seeking compromise either. You are trying to find ways to get exactly what you want and making the other side “compromise”.

We aren’t “trying to find ways to get exactly what we want” we are trying to find ways to get something as close to what we want as we can, while also addressing the issues brought up by your side.

When it came to differentiating the model we proposed mockups using the Night Elf body, mostly hairstyles not used by Blood Elves, and a unique idle stance, that’s a reasonable compromise in my book, but that wasn’t good enough in yours. Why? Because we’d be happy with that.

I think I am done with you now as well. I’d appreciate if you didn’t reply to me further.

[Akston-area-52]

@Zynx-perenolde

Not it all. Are you feeling ok? Did You scroll up at all or just base everything off of that quick summary? Maybe have a coffee and rest your eyes.

I don’t want Blizzard to make them a race. I am along the lines with the OP where the skin’s/ eye options should be available to both Void elfs and Blood Elfs.

The Short story was just to tie up the loose end’s with the RP side of things.

@Zynx-perenolde

To be honest they should make Valeria meet with the Blood Elf leadership and the Void elf leadership and announce she will be stepping down from leadership to help hunt her sister and hold her accountable. The she allows the High elf faction to join under the Horde or the Alliance (since they are working under a truce now). Under this method the lore is still intact.

After that add the customization options to both the blood elf and void elf races.

@Zynx-perenolde

Basically Valeria would have to disband and allow them to follow the faction of their choice. Then add the skins to both races.

Not at all?

What did I miss?

HelFers are asking for the blood elf model (or something similar) with blood elf skin tones.

Your “compromise” is to what…make the Blood Elf/Void Elf race like the Pandaran? They get to choose the faction they follow?

Along with giving the void elves blood elf skin tones?

That is exactly what is being asked for.

So once again…where is the compromise? What are you conceding?

[Onuris-muradin (Onuris)]

@Vidris-bronzebeard

@Onuris-muradin

Ally elves didn’t factor into it…why would they?

That would be a compromise of the story as you have it and what the players actually want.

A good compromise. Void Elves drawn from High Elves.

No no, I mean think of it this way, objectively. Look at it removed from the pro or anti angle. We know expansions are in development far in advance of them getting to these points so the void elves were already in the pipe before a lot of the bigger blow ups started. While people have been asking for blue eyes/etc from WoW’s launch, I don’t think they were considering the pro and anti stuff while deciding where to develop void elves from.

I don’t think it was meant as a slight or like a lack of compromise from them, honestly. I think they were being pretty honest when they said how they came about and I don’t think whoever made the decision or wrote the lore was all “haha, yeah that’ll show them!” or was even really acutely aware of all this going on (cause before void elves were announced it wasn’t spam threads all over the place.)

Could it be possible they work ally elves into the void elves? I think that’s likely regardless of this charged topic, and while I don’t think it’ll go anywhere from a pro angle from there it would just make too much sense to eventually reveal how more void elves would be made or initiated and we already see high elves of both faction interested.

[Akston-area-52]

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

I disagree. If a “close to human but not quite” skin tone is requested (and you can go through my post history to see I’ve specifically asked for that), especially if its one that isn’t possessed by any race in the game currently, then it’s still considered “unreasonable” by the anti’s simply by virtue of being acceptable to the pro’s.

If you are asking to turn the void elves non voidy, so that they look primarily like a blood elf, then yes, it is unreasonable. Its not because its acceptable to the pros.

Its because its literally what the “antis” are not wanting.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

Only because your idea of what’s reasonable means the result is unacceptable to the other side.

Yet this can easily be flipped. You are literally asking for things the other side has said is unreasonable.

“its unreasonable from a gameplay perspective to put the blood elf model and skin tone on the alliance side”

—“ok, but what if we gave the void elves blood elf skin tones, i mean human skin tones. which are practically the same”

“…no. just said we are pretty against that”

—“omg, so unreasonable”

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

We aren’t “trying to find ways to get exactly what we want” we are trying to find ways to get something as close to what we want as we can, while also addressing the issues brought up by your side.

Yet your suggestions are for exactly what you want. Blood Elf skin tones on the Void Elf model.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

When it came to differentiating the model we proposed mockups using the Night Elf body, mostly hairstyles not used by Blood Elves, and a unique idle stance, that’s a reasonable compromise in my book, but that wasn’t good enough in yours. Why? Because we’d be happy with that.

And this brings me to a previous point on how its not about the lore. How the lore is the first thing the “pro’s” will ditch when its convenient.

@Nicodemùs-argent-dawn

I think I am done with you now as well. I’d appreciate if you didn’t reply to me further.

I am well aware that “pros” dont like people pointing out how silly they are.

[Cezol-darkspear]

Like i said, you don’t need to keep replying, you’ve already lost, acting as if getting the last word in goodbye means anything.