Thank you. I was struggling to remember.
SoâŚwhy is it a debate if everyone agrees the alliance did a cleansing?
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The debate exists because itâs often people trying to equate it with way worse atrocities done by people with way worse motivations.
Discussing the moral implications of the purge is fine. But trying to make it equal to indiscrimate killing for conquest or vengeance is not. What makes the Purge interesting is the grayness of it. Itâs morally gray done right.
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Atrocities are atrocities regardless of the degree to which it is done. You dont see people going, well, Mao was worde than Stalin because he killed more.
No, they call em both monsters.
This is why jaina admits what she did was monstrous.
What happened to theramore? Monstrous.
Camp taurajo? Monstrous.
Lets stop this pissing contest of who did worse.
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Even Jaina admits sheâs guilty. âwe have blood on our handsâ
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Thereâs too many shades of gray to treat all of them as black.
But both examples are in the darkest shades of gray.
What about Churchill? Roosevelt? They also had some red in their ledgers. You said yourself about the japanese internment camps in the US. But they arenât in the same tier as monsters like Mao or Stalin. Thereâs a whole difference between doing some bad deeds while desperate to defend your country in a horrible war and enslaving and murdering your own countrymen.
Itâs like comparing killing someone to steal and killing someone in self-defense. Both involve taking someoneâs lives, but the motivations make them whole different.
Real life is very complicated. I like when fiction gets more like it.
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This again, this argument has been debunked by the HE community on several occasions. The desire has been there since Vanilla, before BE became a horde EXPANSION race.
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youre relatively new here but this video IS a biased fan video by a player who mains alliance. its basically fanfiction and it was also debunked by blizzard themselves a week later
the main reasons being that they dont want to blur the faction boundaries and they want fair skinned and majestic elves to remain a part of the horde. that high elves look identical to blood elves and they share the same culture, that they cannot be made distinct because they are the same people. that if you want to be a high elf the horde is there and waiting
in other words, the biggest objection to playable alliance high elves, the core of the anti high elf position, was not mentioned in that video. and that core position is shared by blizzard
so if you play both factions, as alliance at some point jaina is being tortured by visions of her past. one of them is rhonin, vereesas dead husband, accusing her of twisting the kirin tor/dalran to suit her own selfish ends. she regrets the purge today and it still haunts her
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No thatâs BS. Gennâs actions against Sylvanas were personally motivated and specifically against HER for killing his son, not the Horde as a whole. They cannot be used as an excuse for the genocide of the Nightelves in Teldrassil. Thatâs not even getting into the fact that Genn also saved Eyir who Sylvanas was trying to enslave.
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No, there really isnt dude. Intent means nothing at the end of the day. It is what you do to accomplish your intent that is judged.
The corcumstances if you will. Hence, killing in self defense vs killing while stealing and unintentionally killing.
Whether its a group of people, or an entire population, its still an atrocity.
Just because you keep saying something has been debunked, doesnât mean it has.
He also used Alliance forces to attack and kill members of the Horde fleet who were accompanying her. When you use an Alliance army to attack a Horde army, thatâs not just a personal attack against just one person.
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He also used Alliance forces to attack and kill members of the Horde fleet who were accompanying her. When you use an Alliance army to attack a Horde army, thatâs not just a personal attack against just one person.
On that we can agree.
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Are people trying to say that Genn and Rogers actions in Stormheim wasnt a catalyst for the War of Thorns/Blood War even though its clearly mentioned as is wothin the BfA novellas?
Again?
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It wasnât though, yes it was mentioned, but not her sole reason.
In fact in light of recent events, her intentions have been to feed the souls to death or whatever. So really Stormheim isnât the sole contributing factor to BfA
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âJust because youâve said it was debunked doesnât mean it wasâ
âDisagreement is not trollingâ
Any more classics like those?
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Give it time, the day is young 
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No, but it was a strong contributing factor that led credence to her argument for drawing the Horde into the War of the Thorns. No oneâs saying the sole reason, but it was definitely a reason.
Also her wanting to feed Death isnât really a factor. The Horde didnât invade the Night Elves because Sylvanas wanted to twirl her moustache. Thatâs not why it happened.
Yeah, where is my quote Mowachassa?
I donât appreciate you lying about me and then punking out when asked to prove your claim.
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How about âthis is an awful ironic way to call other people trollsâ?
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debunking implies you have presented an argument
its a perfect example of evidence being met with denial. people pretend or ignore the devs didnt mean what they said, that high elves are blood elves and already playable and that theme and aesthetic is exclusive to horde. ions words have been parsed to the point that those opposed are convinced he didnt rule them out when anyone else listening could see that was exactly what he was doing
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