Thalen Songweaver
Soon after the cataclysm began Rhonin encouraged Jaina Proudmoore to take on the gnome Kinndy Sparkshine as her apprentice. When Kalecgos visited Rhonin for help in locating the missing Focusing Iris, Rhonin directed him to seek out Jaina when they discovered the Iris was in Kalimdor.
When Jaina appealed to the Council of Six to help defend Theramore Isle against an attack by the Horde, they decided that doing nothing could be seen as a tacit approval of Garrosh Hellscream’s path of conquest, and sent Rhonin and a number of other magi to defend the city. In particular, both Rhonin and his Council of Six comrade Aethas Sunreaver recommend Thalen Songweaver for the task. However Thalen (actually a spy for Garrosh Hellscream) turns on the Kirin Tor during the battle, and assists the Horde in breaking through Theramore’s defenses. Rhonin is disheartened to learn of Thalen’s betrayal when the latter is captured by Pained, though maintains that Aethas was likely unaware of the spy’s true nature.
When it seemed as though the battle had been won, Rhonin saw a goblin sky galleon approaching with an enormous mana bomb powered by the Focusing Iris. Thinking quickly he realized that Jaina’s tower was heavily warded in magic and as such drawing the mana bomb to it would localize the mana bomb explosion. Believing that Jaina was the future of the Kirin Tor, he brought her into her tower and redirected Jaina’s portal that she opened. When Jaina realized exactly what Rhonin was doing, she tried to stop him by pointing out that he had a family and was the leader of the Kirin Tor. Knowing that localizing the mana bomb explosion would ensure his beloved would be safe from the blast, Rhonin bluntly told Jaina that she was the future of the Kirin Tor and then pushed her through the portal when the bomb was dropped. Just before the portal closed, Jaina caught a glimpse of Rhonin, his arms raised with a determined expression on his face, exploding in a cloud of lavender ash as the mana bomb detonated in front of him. His last thoughts were to save his wife and everyone around him.
A memorial service was later held for him in Dalaran, attended by his family and nearly every member of the Kirin Tor. His eulogy was given by Jaina, who had accepted the position as leader of the Kirin Tor. His wife is eager to avenge him.
Though the number of times that Vereesa managed to escape from dangerous situations while being just a Ranger, is quite impressive. It’s even more impressive if we take into account the amount of hate from the Horde community towards her, and the many opportunities that Blizzard had to finish her.
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What does it take for people to admit that War Crimes are War Crimes? What does it matter if Theramore was a “legitimate” military target? The bombing was a War Crime, and despite the fact the constant claims over the “strategic military” reasoning over it, the Horde didn’t get anything out of it except a payback from the Alliance.
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Geneva Conventions mean nothing in Azeroth. What does the Geneva Conventions say about nukes and chemical weapons?
The Horde is constantly using dirty tactics that puts its own civilian population in the line of fire, like Taurajo and the Sunreaver treason, and then complains that civilians got shot.
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I guess all this…
https://imgur.com/a/yDtaUEU
…were valid military targets, isn’t it?
PS: Some was Deathwing’s fault!
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The Geneva convention is the set of principles we as a species have agreed to follow. It’s a moral baseline.
The Mana Bomb was neither.
As far as aerial bombings go (which the attack on Theramore was) it follows all the guidelines on a lawful bombing.
It was being attacked due to military necessity, it was defended, notice was given and effort was made to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties.
Because if it’s a legitimate target it can’t be a war crime. By definition.
Nah, Camp T wasn’t involved in attacking the Alliance.
Well, leaving out the deathwing, and the stuff like Sentinel hill that was all Alliance on Alliance.
There’s Bael Modan, which was the home base of dwarves invading Tauren land and killing off the inhabitants for not giving them everything they want.
And I’m not sure what the point of Northwatch hold is in there.
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Except it was. The Camp was used by fighting forces as a staging area for its attacks. That’s why it was attacked.
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A corrupt organization abuses the Kirin Tor and Dalaran to obtain advantages and when they are kicked of from it they get mad? Alright.
Oh, and what a surprise, they show up once more, in Battle for Azeroth, once again ignoring the neutrality pact they made with the Kirin Tor to support Sylvanas, and they tried to prevent Baine from escaping. “Muh vengence”.
After doing that scenario, i was wondering when the Kirin Tor is going to punish the Sunreavers for once again breaking their rules.
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I don’t think the Kirin Tor can punish the Sunreavers (or the Silver Covenant) for helping any of the sides, so long as they don’t involve Dalaran or its resources in any way. Hathorel’s actions in Orgrimmar didn’t break the Kirin Tor’s neutral position.
The Sunreavers actions in Theramore and especially the Divine Bell theft did, however.
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Well truthfully it won’t be too different from this megathread.
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The Mana Bom is totally a nuke. It even leaves the area irradiated as an after effect. A single bomb capable of leveling a whole city.
Mana bombs also destroyed Kirin Var village and Cenarion Refuge in Terokkar. The effects are pretty nuke-like.
Go visit Theramore’s crater and tell me it’s not a nuke…
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Where did that come from?
“During the Cataclysm, the town was assaulted by the Alliance, and firebombed by Wildhammer mercenaries.[1] In order to secure their offensive against the Horde, the Alliance, expanding from Northwatch Hold under false information that the tauren were planning an attack, razed Camp Taurajo in a massacre.”
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Doesn’t matter as long as there is a thread to allow a friendly and open discussion between two sides of a topic is what is important.
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Baine reckognized it as a military target in Tides of War.
Plus, General Hawthorne explains the situation in-game:
- Tell me what happened at Taurajo.
Ah yes, our assault on the Horde town of Taurajo. I struggled with the implications of the decision.
Taurajo was admittedly what you might call a ‘soft target,’ primarily a hunters’ camp. Still, it had been used to recruit, equip, and train Horde infantry for many years.
When our scouts reported that Taurajo’s most dangerous units were out on the hunt, we had to act quickly.
< Hawthorne wrinkles his brow. >
I would prefer not to use the term ‘sacked,’ but yes, the attack went off flawlessly. We removed Taurajo from the equation, confiscated its arms, and destroyed its smithing facilities. The assault gave our forces considerable breathing room and knocked the enemy off balance.
Nonetheless, during the assault, I instructed my men to leave a gap open in our lines…
Taurajo had a significant civilian population. I wanted to ensure that they could escape the fighting, and many did, finding refuge in the north.
There are some, even in Alliance High Command, who argued that I let an opportunity slip away. That I should’ve taken hostages. But I don’t see the value in those sort of terror-tactics.
Hear me out, : I want this war to end someday. It won’t ever stop if we butcher or imprison civilians.
I just pray that there are those on the other side who see things as I do.
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Half of the fort was destroyed by Horde, quite similar to Menethil Harbor by Deathwing, but it remains destroyed after questing.
While this one is meant for war, it’s still funny how most of the time only Alliance loses something.
I wish I could be upset by just one small camp like you.
Northwatch Hold was destroyed in Tides of War. Later in the book, Alliance forces reconquered the ruins. Its current situation is unknown.
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I don’t have to. As far as I’m aware the Horde haven’t split the atom.
As if the problem with nukes were how they ignite and not their power and aftereffects…
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The Mana Bomb is worse than a nuke.
It kills people in every reality.
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