me too. sometimes people forget, there are real people at the other end of the keyboard. real people could have any number of reasons to want/not want, high elves on the alliance. those are my reasons. it isnt to deprive someone else of quality experience, but to improve my own experience. i’m sure most helfers want playable high elves on alliance for the same reason - improves their game experience.
do you think it would hurt horde if alliance had playable high elves?
“And so we’re looking to -when we add allied races, there’s a desire to have things be a bit more distinct, especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent and so the Void Elf angle as tied into the story of Argus and the power of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness…was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavour of it’s own to the Alliance”
ion was quite clear that the intent behind void elves was to give the alliance a blood elf variant that wasnt an exact duplicate. straight from the mouth of the man who led the group that created them. that they also consider high elves to be blood elves, so it is also a ‘high’ elf variant
you can cling to false hope, as you do here, by constructing a weak narrative that leads to playable alliance high elves still being viable. but had they been as viable as you are still trying to claim they can be by grasping to construed words, theyd have just given you alliance ‘high’ elves in the FIRST PLACE and never bothered with void elves
like what? how does your side continue to say things like this and never provide a single example. the difference between blood/high elves is political but culturally, thematically and appearance wise they are identical. with the restoration of the sunwell, the ideological difference of draining from a mana wyrm has been resolved but the resentment over it has fed into the political divide which has also become irrelevant with both factions signing a peace treaty 
do you think playable half elves are viable for alliance?
Is obnoxious behavior a carb?
Mmkay Callistus jr.
Kinda are means they are, it is a colloquial statement.
Kind of a big deal = big deal
I think it would be the best idea for them.
I really hope th goblin guy isn’t at blizzcon this year.
The answer is yes, they agreed because of the dire-ness of the situation, that’s the whole point of BE’s that they did what they did in order to survive, including lifting old taboos against felt to survive -as a society- and using the power of a naaru against its will to protect themselves.
Hence the revisionism of asking “but do we know how much actually were okay with fel” when the whole set up of Blood Elves is “we do what we must in order to survive and rebuild”
Nah man; like everyone agrees DI are the best AR we have, because they look cool and are a long request, but Dwarves are 3rd least played core race on the Alliance (Or 5th most played total, behind VE’s) at lvl 120 on US servers.
Dwarves are also very niche from the get go, and DID are the only AR that is already half of their core race; dwarves are popular (as much as porcentually zandalari from darkspear trolls, they are currently a bit less than half) for a dwarf.
Which is most likely gonna be the case with Mecha Gnomes
Hey are you on discord or in the High Elf discord to perhaps discuss the next OP? If you are interested in collaborating and being the next to take the torch of course. If you are in the High Elf discord I can find you or the others.
Except ask the dev round 3 states they were horrified at the prospect of fel drai ing.
Why are we discussing this again?
It’s like you are unable to grasp the simple fact that we disagree with Ion on a design and logical level, so every time you say “BUT ION SAID” you keep missing the point, going all “authority=truth”
And let it be clear, with all the push-back his design decisions have caused this expansion, to claim Ion is infallible is either hypocritical, or boot-licker
People keep telling you the MAJOR contextual difference between Silvermoon Blood Elves still living on their homeland and High Elves spending over a decade as expats living within human societies out of necessity to the point they are being assimilated.
But you keep saying “I see no difference”
Obviously I do.
I am not in the high elf discord, but I do have discord and could join it.
in what way?
Look, I dont agree with everything Ion does or says. I believe on a fundamental level he misses what needs to he done to keep WoW going, and while we can dosagree, he is god of the game right now.
If he says they are the same and they wont do it, then we have to accept it.
I feel it would negatively impact the story, it would damage faction identity and it would mean rather than getting a cool new AR Horde would have to get a copy of another Alliance rather.
Would you rather I contact you in game first to coordinate and discuss, or would you rather go to the discord server? The people who would be the best to talk to there, but I can get things explained and see if you are interested. I just don’t want to put my discord tag here on the forums so kinda going the long route.
I think the discord link is in the OP if you wanna skip the extra steps.
Thats not enough, they’re biologically the same race. Even Velves were subject to more changes and yet you guys thrash them like theres no tomorrow.
No? Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you referring to the pious bit?
The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel’Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs’ skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.
What part of this you are misconstruing as being “horrified at the prospect of fel draining”
Like there’s a difference between “Maybe asbestos is a good insulant” and “we are totally snorting this later BOI”
The point isn’t whether he makes the decisions, but whether we are allowed disagree with them -we can BTW-
Because it will come the day where he can simply change his mind or not be in charge, so to take his current decisions as inmutable is just silly.
The point is that we can all agree he is fallible and that even beyond that, some decisions are simply a matter of discretion and not right or wrong.
Not because he makes a decision makes it the unquestionable truth.
I feel it would negatively impact the story,
how so?
it would damage faction identity
if they looked more like talendrion’s mock ups, where they are part belf, part nelf, part human, would that ruin faction identity?
and it would mean rather than getting a cool new AR Horde would have to get a copy of another Alliance rather.
i have faith that blizz devs will make sure horde players are happy.